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From: Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com>
To: Eric Paris <eparis@redhat.com>
Cc: netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	davem@davemloft.net, kuznet@ms2.inr.ac.ru, pekkas@netcore.fi,
	jmorris@namei.org, yoshfuji@linux-ipv6.org, kaber@trash.net
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] network: return errors if we know tcp_connect failed
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 22:14:38 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1289510078.17691.1724.camel@edumazet-laptop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20101111210341.31350.86916.stgit@paris.rdu.redhat.com>

Le jeudi 11 novembre 2010 à 16:03 -0500, Eric Paris a écrit :
> THIS PATCH IS VERY POSSIBLY WRONG!  But if it is I want some feedback.
> 
> Basically what I found was that if I added an iptables rule like so:
> 
> iptables -A OUTPUT -p tcp --dport 80 -j DROP
> 
> And then ran a web browser like links it would just hang on 'establishing
> connection.'  I expected that the application would immediately, or at least
> very quickly, get notified that the connect failed.   This waiting for timeout
> would be expected if something else dropped the SYN or if we were dropping the
> SYN/ACK packet coming back, but I figured if we knew we threw away the SYN we knew
> right away that the connection was denied and we should be able to indicate
> that to the application.  Yes, I realize this is little different than if the
> SYN was dropped in the first network device, but it is different because we
> know what happened!  We know that connect() call failed and that there isn't
> anything coming back.
> 
> What I discovered was that we actually had 2 problems in making it possible.
> For userspace to quickly realize the connect failed.  The first was a problem
> in the netfilter code which wasn't passing errors back up the stack correctly,
> due to what I believe to be a mistake in precedence rules.
> 
> http://marc.info/?l=netfilter-devel&m=128950262021804&w=2
> 
> And the second was that tcp_connect() was just ignoring the return value from
> tcp_transmit_skb().  Maybe this was intentional but I really wish we could
> find out that connect failed long before the minutes long timeout.  Once I
> fixed both of those issues I find that links gets denied (with EPERM)
> immediately when it calls connect().  Is this wrong?  Is this bad to tell
> userspace more quickly what happened?  Does passing this error code back up
> the stack here break something else?  Why do some functions seem to pay
> attention to tcp_transmit_skb() return codes and some functions just ignore
> it?  What do others think?
> 


I think its an interesting idea, but a temporary memory shortage would
abort the connect().

We could imagine some special handling of the first packet of a flow
being DROPED for whatever reason (flow control...)

So it needs some refinement I think.

SYN packets should be allowed to be re-transmitted before saying a TCP
connect() cannot succeed.




  reply	other threads:[~2010-11-11 21:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-11-11 21:03 [RFC PATCH] network: return errors if we know tcp_connect failed Eric Paris
2010-11-11 21:14 ` Eric Dumazet [this message]
2010-11-11 21:58 ` Hua Zhong
2010-11-12  7:36   ` Patrick McHardy
2010-11-12 23:14     ` Hua Zhong
2010-11-15 10:32       ` Patrick McHardy
2010-11-15 15:47         ` Eric Paris
2010-11-15 15:57           ` Patrick McHardy
2010-11-15 16:04             ` Patrick McHardy
2010-11-15 16:36             ` Patrick McHardy
2010-11-15 16:46               ` David Miller
2010-11-15 20:00           ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2010-11-12 16:08   ` Eric Paris
2010-11-12 16:15     ` Eric Dumazet
2010-11-12 16:35       ` David Lamparter
2010-11-12 16:53         ` Eric Paris
2010-11-12 16:54         ` Patrick McHardy
2010-11-12 17:57           ` a problem tcp_v4_err() Alexey Kuznetsov
2010-11-12 18:12             ` Eric Dumazet
2010-11-12 18:21               ` Eric Dumazet
2010-11-12 18:27                 ` Eric Dumazet
2010-11-12 18:31                   ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2010-11-12 18:29               ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2010-11-12 18:33                 ` Eric Dumazet
2010-11-12 19:22                   ` David Miller
2010-11-12 21:18                     ` Eric Dumazet
2010-11-12 21:36                       ` David Miller
2010-11-12 21:16           ` [RFC PATCH] network: return errors if we know tcp_connect failed David Lamparter
2010-11-12 21:18             ` David Miller
2010-11-12 17:46 ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2010-11-12 19:28   ` David Miller

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