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From: Mimi Zohar <zohar@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>
Cc: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>,
	"Luis R. Rodriguez" <mcgrof@suse.com>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>,
	Michal Marek <mmarek@suse.cz>,
	Matthew Garrett <mjg59@srcf.ucam.org>,
	keyrings@linux-nfs.org,
	Dmitry Kasatkin <dmitry.kasatkin@gmail.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Seth Forshee <seth.forshee@canonical.com>,
	LSM List <linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org>,
	David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/8] MODSIGN: Use PKCS#7 for module signatures [ver #4]
Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 08:42:05 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1432298525.2450.66.camel@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <32619.1432281384@warthog.procyon.org.uk>

On Fri, 2015-05-22 at 08:56 +0100, David Howells wrote:
> Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> wrote:
> 
> > Without tagging the purpose of the signed file, you simply don't have
> > a cryptographic guarantee of that.  The bad guy can load something
> > else that was signed for an entirely different purpose into the wrong
> > device, possibly crashing it, causing buffer overflows because the
> > format is wrong, or doing any number of other bad things.
> 
> One suggestion David Woodhouse made with regard to tagging is that the tag
> could just be added into the digest before it is signed/verified and not
> actually stored in the signature.
> 
> This means that if you try loading the firmware for the wrong request, the
> signature verification will fail.
> 
> It's an interesting approach that's simple to achieve, but it has the downside
> that the signature will be invalid in the mismatch situation and you can't
> tell whether it's because the module is being misused or the signature is just
> wrong.  However, that might be livable with.

With transitive trust, any key on the system keyring would be able to
add keys with any tag, whether the tag is in the cert or the digest.  If
I trust cert A to sign keys that add kernel modules or other certs that
add kernel modules, it doesn't mean that I trust that cert to also sign
keys that add firmware, for example, or other keys that add firmware.

Mimi


  reply	other threads:[~2015-05-22 12:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-05-15 12:35 [PATCH 0/8] MODSIGN: Use PKCS#7 for module signatures [ver #4] David Howells
2015-05-15 12:35 ` [PATCH 1/8] X.509: Extract both parts of the AuthorityKeyIdentifier " David Howells
2015-05-15 12:35 ` [PATCH 2/8] X.509: Support X.509 lookup by Issuer+Serial form " David Howells
2015-05-15 12:35 ` [PATCH 3/8] PKCS#7: Allow detached data to be supplied for signature checking purposes " David Howells
2015-05-15 12:35 ` [PATCH 4/8] MODSIGN: Provide a utility to append a PKCS#7 signature to a module " David Howells
2015-05-20  0:50   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-05-20 13:14   ` David Howells
2015-05-20 16:00     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-05-15 12:36 ` [PATCH 5/8] MODSIGN: Use PKCS#7 messages as module signatures " David Howells
2015-05-15 12:36 ` [PATCH 6/8] sign-file: Add option to only create signature file " David Howells
2015-05-15 12:36 ` [PATCH 7/8] system_keyring.c doesn't need to #include module-internal.h " David Howells
2015-05-15 12:36 ` [PATCH 8/8] MODSIGN: Extract the blob PKCS#7 signature verifier from module signing " David Howells
2015-05-15 13:46 ` [PATCH 0/8] MODSIGN: Use PKCS#7 for module signatures " David Woodhouse
2015-05-15 16:52 ` [PATCH 1/4] modsign: Abort modules_install when signing fails David Woodhouse
2015-05-19  1:29   ` Mimi Zohar
2015-05-19  6:40     ` Woodhouse, David
2015-05-19 11:45       ` Mimi Zohar
2015-05-19 12:57         ` Woodhouse, David
2015-05-19 13:54           ` Mimi Zohar
2015-05-15 16:53 ` [PATCH 2/4] modsign: Allow external signing key to be specified David Woodhouse
2015-05-15 16:53 ` [PATCH 3/4] modsign: Allow password to be specified for signing key David Woodhouse
2015-05-19  1:37   ` Mimi Zohar
2015-05-15 16:54 ` [PATCH 4/4] modsign: Allow signing key to be PKCS#11 David Woodhouse
2015-05-15 19:07 ` sign-file and detached PKCS#7 firmware signatures David Howells
2015-05-18 23:13   ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-05-19  9:25   ` David Howells
2015-05-19 16:19     ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-05-19 16:48     ` David Howells
2015-05-19 18:21       ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-05-19 18:35       ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-05-19 18:47       ` David Howells
2015-05-19 20:12         ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-05-19 20:29         ` David Howells
2015-05-15 22:51 ` [PATCH 0/8] MODSIGN: Use PKCS#7 for module signatures [ver #4] Rusty Russell
2015-05-18 12:43 ` [PATCH 4/4] modsign: Allow signing key to be PKCS#11 David Howells
2015-05-19 14:45 ` [PATCH 9/8] modsign: Abort modules_install when signing fails David Woodhouse
2015-05-19 14:45 ` [PATCH 10/8] modsign: Allow password to be specified for signing key David Woodhouse
2015-05-19 15:50   ` Petko Manolov
2015-05-19 16:15     ` David Woodhouse
2015-05-19 16:34       ` Petko Manolov
2015-05-19 18:39   ` Mimi Zohar
2015-05-19 18:48   ` David Howells
2015-05-19 19:14     ` Mimi Zohar
2015-05-19 20:04       ` David Woodhouse
2015-05-19 14:46 ` [PATCH 11/8] modsign: Allow signing key to be PKCS#11 David Woodhouse
2015-05-19 14:46 ` [PATCH 12/8] modsign: Allow external signing key to be specified David Woodhouse
2015-05-19 14:47 ` [PATCH 13/8] modsign: Extract signing cert from CONFIG_MODULE_SIG_KEY if needed David Woodhouse
2015-05-19 15:36 ` [PATCH 10/8] modsign: Allow password to be specified for signing key David Howells
2015-05-20  0:36 ` [PATCH 0/8] MODSIGN: Use PKCS#7 for module signatures [ver #4] Andy Lutomirski
2015-05-20 13:36 ` David Howells
2015-05-20 15:56   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-05-20 16:21     ` Petko Manolov
2015-05-20 16:41       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-05-20 16:55         ` Petko Manolov
2015-05-21 21:38       ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-05-21 21:44         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-05-21 21:59           ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-05-21 22:06             ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-05-21 22:16               ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-05-21 22:24                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-05-21 22:31                   ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-05-21 22:47                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-05-21 23:01                       ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-05-21 23:09                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-05-22  7:56                         ` David Howells
2015-05-22 12:42                           ` Mimi Zohar [this message]
2015-05-22  7:49         ` David Howells
2015-05-22  7:48       ` David Howells
2015-05-22 12:28         ` Mimi Zohar
2015-05-24 10:52           ` Petko Manolov
2015-05-21 13:59   ` David Howells

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