From: Joel Fernandes <joel@joelfernandes.org>
To: Ankur Arora <ankur.a.arora@oracle.com>
Cc: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
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Masami Hiramatsu <mhiramat@kernel.org>,
Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 29/30] Documentation: tracing: add TIF_NEED_RESCHED_LAZY
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2024 14:32:23 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <198072f4-6d5f-435b-aab3-1351e3265f48@joelfernandes.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87v8652uud.fsf@oracle.com>
On 3/1/2024 10:09 PM, Ankur Arora wrote:
>
> Joel Fernandes <joel@joelfernandes.org> writes:
>
>> On Wed, Feb 21, 2024 at 04:43:34PM -0500, Steven Rostedt wrote:
>>> On Mon, 12 Feb 2024 21:55:53 -0800
>>> Ankur Arora <ankur.a.arora@oracle.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Document various combinations of resched flags.
>>>>
>>>> Cc: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
>>>> Cc: Masami Hiramatsu <mhiramat@kernel.org>
>>>> Cc: Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>
>>>> Originally-by: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
>>>> Link: https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/87jzshhexi.ffs@tglx/
>>>> Signed-off-by: Ankur Arora <ankur.a.arora@oracle.com>
>>>> ---
>>>> Documentation/trace/ftrace.rst | 6 +++++-
>>>> 1 file changed, 5 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
>>>>
>>>> diff --git a/Documentation/trace/ftrace.rst b/Documentation/trace/ftrace.rst
>>>> index 7e7b8ec17934..7f20c0bae009 100644
>>>> --- a/Documentation/trace/ftrace.rst
>>>> +++ b/Documentation/trace/ftrace.rst
>>>> @@ -1036,8 +1036,12 @@ explains which is which.
>>>> be printed here.
>>>>
>>>> need-resched:
>>>> - - 'N' both TIF_NEED_RESCHED and PREEMPT_NEED_RESCHED is set,
>>>> + - 'B' all three, TIF_NEED_RESCHED, TIF_NEED_RESCHED_LAZY and PREEMPT_NEED_RESCHED are set,
>>>> + - 'N' both TIF_NEED_RESCHED and PREEMPT_NEED_RESCHED are set,
>>>> + - 'L' both TIF_NEED_RESCHED_LAZY and PREEMPT_NEED_RESCHED are set,
>>>> + - 'b' both TIF_NEED_RESCHED and TIF_NEED_RESCHED_LAZY are set,
>>>> - 'n' only TIF_NEED_RESCHED is set,
>>>> + - 'l' only TIF_NEED_RESCHED_LAZY is set,
>>>> - 'p' only PREEMPT_NEED_RESCHED is set,
>>
>> One thing I was curious about in current code, under which situation will
>> "only PREEMPT_NEED_RESCHED is set" case happen? All the code paths I see set
>> the PREEMPT_NEED_RESCHED when then TIF has already been set. That kind of
>> makes sense, why enter the scheduler on preempt_enable() unless there was a
>> reason to, and TIF should have recorded that reason.
>
> True. And, the only place where we clear PREEMPT_NEED_RESCHED is in
> __schedule() after clearing the TIF_NEED_RESCHED* flags.
Thanks for taking a look.
>> So in other words, if 'p' above cannot happen, then it could be removed as a
>> potential need-resched stat. If it can happen, I'd love to learn in which
>> case?
>
> Yeah, AFAICT the only case we might see it alone is in case of a bug.
Thanks for confirming as well. Steve, are you Ok with a patch to remove 'p'? Or
you probably want to leave it alone in case something changes in the future? I'd
rather it be removed.
>> Also considering all users of set_tsk_need_resched() also call the
>> set_preempt_need_resched() shortly after, should we add a helper to squash
>> the 2 calls and simplify callers?
>>
> Just to explicitly lay out the reason for these being separate interfaces:
> set_tsk_need_resched() can be set from a remote CPU, while
> set_preempt_need_resched() (or its folding version) is only meant to be
> used on the local CPU.
Yes, agreed.
>> There are some "special cases" where only TIF flag need be set (such as setting
>> rescheduling from an interrupt or when rescheduling a remote CPU). For those,
>> they can directly call the set_tsk_need_resched() like they do now.
>
> The remote case, as you say is always handled in the scheduler. So, maybe
> it is worth having a set_need_resched_local_cpu() which takes care of
> both of these things but more importantly makes clear the limits of this.
>
> That said, these interfaces have very few users (just RCU, and the s390
> page fault handler) and both of these are fairly sophisticated users, so
> not sure yet another interface in this area is worth adding.
>
Sounds good, though there are quite a few RCU users and I do remember in the
past, that during a code review I pointed out that both needed to be set. Not
just one. :) I wonder what Paul McKenney thinks about this as well ;-)
thanks,
- Joel
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-03-03 19:32 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 155+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-02-13 5:55 [PATCH 00/30] PREEMPT_AUTO: support lazy rescheduling Ankur Arora
2024-02-13 5:55 ` [PATCH 01/30] preempt: introduce CONFIG_PREEMPT_AUTO Ankur Arora
2024-02-13 5:55 ` [PATCH 02/30] thread_info: selector for TIF_NEED_RESCHED[_LAZY] Ankur Arora
2024-02-19 15:16 ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-02-20 22:50 ` Ankur Arora
2024-02-21 17:05 ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-02-21 18:26 ` Steven Rostedt
2024-02-21 20:03 ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-02-13 5:55 ` [PATCH 03/30] thread_info: tif_need_resched() now takes resched_t as param Ankur Arora
2024-02-14 3:17 ` kernel test robot
2024-02-14 14:08 ` Mark Rutland
2024-02-15 4:08 ` Ankur Arora
2024-02-19 12:30 ` Mark Rutland
2024-02-20 22:09 ` Ankur Arora
2024-02-19 15:21 ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-02-20 22:21 ` Ankur Arora
2024-02-21 17:07 ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-02-21 21:22 ` Ankur Arora
2024-02-13 5:55 ` [PATCH 04/30] sched: make test_*_tsk_thread_flag() return bool Ankur Arora
2024-02-14 14:12 ` Mark Rutland
2024-02-15 2:04 ` Ankur Arora
2024-02-13 5:55 ` [PATCH 05/30] sched: *_tsk_need_resched() now takes resched_t as param Ankur Arora
2024-02-19 15:26 ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-02-20 22:37 ` Ankur Arora
2024-02-21 17:10 ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-02-13 5:55 ` [PATCH 06/30] entry: handle lazy rescheduling at user-exit Ankur Arora
2024-02-19 15:29 ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-02-20 22:38 ` Ankur Arora
2024-02-13 5:55 ` [PATCH 07/30] entry/kvm: handle lazy rescheduling at guest-entry Ankur Arora
2024-02-13 5:55 ` [PATCH 08/30] entry: irqentry_exit only preempts for TIF_NEED_RESCHED Ankur Arora
2024-02-13 5:55 ` [PATCH 09/30] sched: __schedule_loop() doesn't need to check for need_resched_lazy() Ankur Arora
2024-02-13 5:55 ` [PATCH 10/30] sched: separate PREEMPT_DYNAMIC config logic Ankur Arora
2024-02-13 5:55 ` [PATCH 11/30] sched: runtime preemption config under PREEMPT_AUTO Ankur Arora
2024-02-13 5:55 ` [PATCH 12/30] rcu: limit PREEMPT_RCU to full preemption " Ankur Arora
2024-02-13 5:55 ` [PATCH 13/30] rcu: fix header guard for rcu_all_qs() Ankur Arora
2024-02-13 5:55 ` [PATCH 14/30] preempt,rcu: warn on PREEMPT_RCU=n, preempt=full Ankur Arora
2024-02-13 5:55 ` [PATCH 15/30] rcu: handle quiescent states for PREEMPT_RCU=n, PREEMPT_COUNT=y Ankur Arora
2024-03-10 10:03 ` Joel Fernandes
2024-03-10 18:56 ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-03-11 0:48 ` Joel Fernandes
2024-03-11 3:56 ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-03-11 15:01 ` Joel Fernandes
2024-03-11 20:51 ` Ankur Arora
2024-03-11 22:12 ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-03-11 5:18 ` Ankur Arora
2024-03-11 15:25 ` Joel Fernandes
2024-03-11 19:12 ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-03-11 19:53 ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-03-11 20:29 ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-03-12 0:01 ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-03-12 0:08 ` Joel Fernandes
2024-03-12 3:16 ` Ankur Arora
2024-03-12 3:24 ` Joel Fernandes
2024-03-12 5:23 ` Ankur Arora
2024-02-13 5:55 ` [PATCH 16/30] rcu: force context-switch " Ankur Arora
2024-02-13 5:55 ` [PATCH 17/30] x86/thread_info: define TIF_NEED_RESCHED_LAZY Ankur Arora
2024-02-14 13:25 ` Mark Rutland
2024-02-14 20:31 ` Ankur Arora
2024-02-19 12:32 ` Mark Rutland
2024-02-13 5:55 ` [PATCH 18/30] sched: prepare for lazy rescheduling in resched_curr() Ankur Arora
2024-02-13 5:55 ` [PATCH 19/30] sched: default preemption policy for PREEMPT_AUTO Ankur Arora
2024-02-13 5:55 ` [PATCH 20/30] sched: handle idle preemption " Ankur Arora
2024-02-13 5:55 ` [PATCH 21/30] sched: schedule eagerly in resched_cpu() Ankur Arora
2024-02-13 5:55 ` [PATCH 22/30] sched/fair: refactor update_curr(), entity_tick() Ankur Arora
2024-02-13 5:55 ` [PATCH 23/30] sched/fair: handle tick expiry under lazy preemption Ankur Arora
2024-02-21 21:38 ` Steven Rostedt
2024-02-28 13:47 ` Juri Lelli
2024-02-29 6:43 ` Ankur Arora
2024-02-29 9:33 ` Juri Lelli
2024-02-29 23:54 ` Ankur Arora
2024-03-01 0:28 ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-02-13 5:55 ` [PATCH 24/30] sched: support preempt=none under PREEMPT_AUTO Ankur Arora
2024-02-13 5:55 ` [PATCH 25/30] sched: support preempt=full " Ankur Arora
2024-02-13 5:55 ` [PATCH 26/30] sched: handle preempt=voluntary " Ankur Arora
2024-03-03 1:08 ` Joel Fernandes
2024-03-05 8:11 ` Ankur Arora
2024-03-06 20:42 ` Joel Fernandes
2024-03-07 19:01 ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-03-08 0:15 ` Joel Fernandes
2024-03-08 0:42 ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-03-08 4:22 ` Ankur Arora
2024-03-08 21:33 ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-03-11 4:50 ` Ankur Arora
2024-03-11 19:26 ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-03-11 20:09 ` Ankur Arora
2024-03-11 20:23 ` Linus Torvalds
2024-03-11 21:03 ` Ankur Arora
2024-03-12 0:03 ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-03-12 12:14 ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-03-12 19:40 ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-03-08 3:49 ` Ankur Arora
2024-03-08 5:29 ` Joel Fernandes
2024-03-08 6:54 ` Juri Lelli
2024-03-11 5:34 ` Ankur Arora
2024-02-13 5:55 ` [PATCH 27/30] sched: latency warn for TIF_NEED_RESCHED_LAZY Ankur Arora
2024-02-13 5:55 ` [PATCH 28/30] tracing: support lazy resched Ankur Arora
2024-02-13 5:55 ` [PATCH 29/30] Documentation: tracing: add TIF_NEED_RESCHED_LAZY Ankur Arora
2024-02-21 21:43 ` Steven Rostedt
2024-02-21 23:22 ` Ankur Arora
2024-02-21 23:53 ` Steven Rostedt
2024-03-01 23:33 ` Joel Fernandes
2024-03-02 3:09 ` Ankur Arora
2024-03-03 19:32 ` Joel Fernandes [this message]
2024-02-13 5:55 ` [PATCH 30/30] osnoise: handle quiescent states for PREEMPT_RCU=n, PREEMPTION=y Ankur Arora
2024-02-13 9:47 ` [PATCH 00/30] PREEMPT_AUTO: support lazy rescheduling Geert Uytterhoeven
2024-02-13 21:46 ` Ankur Arora
2024-02-14 23:57 ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-02-15 2:03 ` Ankur Arora
2024-02-15 3:45 ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-02-15 19:28 ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-02-15 20:04 ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-02-15 20:54 ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-02-15 20:53 ` Ankur Arora
2024-02-15 20:55 ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-02-15 21:24 ` Ankur Arora
2024-02-15 22:54 ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-02-15 22:56 ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-02-16 0:45 ` Ankur Arora
2024-02-16 2:59 ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-02-17 0:55 ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-02-17 3:59 ` Ankur Arora
2024-02-18 18:17 ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-02-19 16:48 ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-02-21 18:19 ` Steven Rostedt
2024-02-21 19:41 ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-02-21 20:11 ` Steven Rostedt
2024-02-21 20:22 ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-02-22 15:50 ` Mark Rutland
2024-02-22 19:11 ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-02-23 11:05 ` Mark Rutland
2024-02-23 15:31 ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-03-02 1:16 ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-03-19 11:45 ` Tasks RCU, ftrace, and trampolines (was: Re: [PATCH 00/30] PREEMPT_AUTO: support lazy rescheduling) Mark Rutland
2024-03-19 23:33 ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-02-21 6:48 ` [PATCH 00/30] PREEMPT_AUTO: support lazy rescheduling Ankur Arora
2024-02-21 17:44 ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-02-16 0:45 ` Ankur Arora
2024-02-21 12:23 ` Raghavendra K T
2024-02-21 17:15 ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-02-21 17:27 ` Raghavendra K T
2024-02-21 21:16 ` Ankur Arora
2024-02-22 4:05 ` Raghavendra K T
2024-02-22 21:23 ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-02-23 3:14 ` Ankur Arora
2024-02-23 6:28 ` Raghavendra K T
2024-02-24 3:15 ` Raghavendra K T
2024-02-27 17:45 ` Ankur Arora
2024-02-22 13:04 ` Raghavendra K T
2024-04-23 15:21 ` Shrikanth Hegde
2024-04-23 16:13 ` Linus Torvalds
2024-04-26 7:46 ` Shrikanth Hegde
2024-04-26 19:00 ` Ankur Arora
2024-05-07 11:16 ` Shrikanth Hegde
2024-05-08 5:18 ` Ankur Arora
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