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From: "Madhavan T. Venkataraman" <madvenka@linux.microsoft.com>
To: Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com>
Cc: Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	broonie@kernel.org, jthierry@redhat.com, catalin.marinas@arm.com,
	will@kernel.org, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	live-patching@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2 0/4] arm64: Implement stack trace reliability checks
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2021 12:54:15 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1be20ada-6b52-c6e8-508c-7572c438d2b7@linux.microsoft.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20210409225321.2czbawz6p2aquf5m@treble>



On 4/9/21 5:53 PM, Josh Poimboeuf wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 09, 2021 at 05:32:27PM -0500, Josh Poimboeuf wrote:
>> On Fri, Apr 09, 2021 at 05:05:58PM -0500, Madhavan T. Venkataraman wrote:
>>>> FWIW, over the years we've had zero issues with encoding the frame
>>>> pointer on x86.  After you save pt_regs, you encode the frame pointer to
>>>> point to it.  Ideally in the same macro so it's hard to overlook.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I had the same opinion. In fact, in my encoding scheme, I have additional
>>> checks to make absolutely sure that it is a true encoding and not stack
>>> corruption. The chances of all of those values accidentally matching are,
>>> well, null.
>>
>> Right, stack corruption -- which is already exceedingly rare -- would
>> have to be combined with a miracle or two in order to come out of the
>> whole thing marked as 'reliable' :-)
>>
>> And really, we already take a similar risk today by "trusting" the frame
>> pointer value on the stack to a certain extent.
> 
> Oh yeah, I forgot to mention some more benefits of encoding the frame
> pointer (or marking pt_regs in some other way):
> 
> a) Stack addresses can be printed properly: '%pS' for printing regs->pc
>    and '%pB' for printing call returns.
> 
>    Using '%pS' for call returns (as arm64 seems to do today) will result
>    in printing the wrong function when you have tail calls to noreturn
>    functions on the stack (which is actually quite common for calls to
>    panic(), die(), etc).
> 
>    More details:
> 
>    https://lkml.kernel.org/r/20210403155948.ubbgtwmlsdyar7yp@treble
> 
> b) Stack dumps to the console can dump the exception registers they find
>    along the way.  This is actually quite nice for debugging.
> 
> 

Great.

I am preparing version 3 taking into account comments from yourself,
Mark Rutland and Mark Brown.

Stay tuned.

Madhavan

  reply	other threads:[~2021-04-11 17:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <705993ccb34a611c75cdae0a8cb1b40f9b218ebd>
2021-04-05 20:43 ` [RFC PATCH v2 0/4] arm64: Implement stack trace reliability checks madvenka
2021-04-05 20:43   ` [RFC PATCH v2 1/4] arm64: Implement infrastructure for " madvenka
2021-04-08 15:15     ` Mark Brown
2021-04-08 17:17     ` Mark Brown
2021-04-08 19:30       ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2021-04-08 23:30         ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2021-04-09 11:57           ` Mark Brown
2021-04-05 20:43   ` [RFC PATCH v2 2/4] arm64: Mark a stack trace unreliable if an EL1 exception frame is detected madvenka
2021-04-05 20:43   ` [RFC PATCH v2 3/4] arm64: Detect FTRACE cases that make the stack trace unreliable madvenka
2021-04-08 16:58     ` Mark Brown
2021-04-08 19:23       ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2021-04-09 11:31         ` Mark Brown
2021-04-09 14:02           ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2021-04-09 12:27     ` Mark Rutland
2021-04-09 17:23       ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2021-04-05 20:43   ` [RFC PATCH v2 4/4] arm64: Mark stack trace as unreliable if kretprobed functions are present madvenka
2021-04-09 12:09   ` [RFC PATCH v2 0/4] arm64: Implement stack trace reliability checks Mark Rutland
2021-04-09 17:16     ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2021-04-09 21:37     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2021-04-09 22:05       ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2021-04-09 22:32         ` Josh Poimboeuf
2021-04-09 22:53           ` Josh Poimboeuf
2021-04-11 17:54             ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman [this message]
2021-04-12 16:59           ` Mark Brown
2021-04-13 22:53             ` Josh Poimboeuf
2021-04-14 12:24               ` Mark Brown
2021-04-12 17:36       ` Mark Brown
2021-04-12 19:55         ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2021-04-13 11:02           ` Mark Brown
2021-04-14 10:23             ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2021-04-14 12:35               ` Mark Brown
2021-04-16 14:43               ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2021-04-16 15:36                 ` Mark Brown

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