* Oscillations in disk write compaction, poor interactive performance
@ 2001-04-12 21:34 SodaPop
2001-04-16 15:29 ` Pavel Machek
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From: SodaPop @ 2001-04-12 21:34 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: linux-kernel
Subject: Oscillations in disk write compaction
The following data sets are the output of a small program that
reads a random 4k block from a large data file, makes a trivial
alteration to the block, and writes the block back into the
file (in place). In all three cases the file is larger than
the physical memory of the machine. In the first two cases,
the file is the exact same.
It appears that in 2.4, we are much more aggressive about ordering
and combining writes to disk - which is probably a good thing, as
it helps increase disk throughput. But it is also a bad thing,
as it seems that this ties up the disk and rest of the system for
long periods of time.
It also seems that in the 2.4 kernels, we can get into a sort of
oscillation mode, where we can have long periods of disk activity
where nothing can get done - the low points, where only 2-3 writes
per second can occur, so completely screw up the interactive
performance that you simply have to take your hands off the
keyboard and go get coffee until the disk writes complete. I know
we get better performance overall this way, but it can be
frustrating when this occurs in the middle of video capture.
More notes below. Anyone got any ideas? Or have I done something
horribly stupid here?
-dennis T
2.2.14 - 160 meg intel PII. Relatively slow ide drive, 6 MB/sec
---------------------------------------------------------------
File size: 209715200 Blocks: 51200
57.10 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
57.10 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
56.70 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
57.30 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
60.40 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
64.30 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
65.70 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
60.90 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
44.60 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
45.30 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
56.40 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
67.60 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
69.40 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
66.80 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
70.80 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
18.80 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
74.90 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
76.00 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
75.70 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
59.60 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
42.70 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
73.00 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
50.60 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
102.80 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
64.10 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
91.30 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
29.70 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
28.80 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
95.60 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
58.50 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
131.90 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
6.80 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
118.00 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
3.10 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
73.70 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
30.00 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
87.80 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
97.80 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
54.60 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
64.60 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
6.40 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
126.20 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
23.50 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
88.00 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
85.00 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
90.70 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
12.90 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
40.90 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
2.4.3 - 160 meg intel PII. Same machine as above, dual boot
---------------------------------------------------------------
File size: 209715200 Blocks: 51200
57.40 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
69.20 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
84.90 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
58.70 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
52.60 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
36.60 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
35.10 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
65.80 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
74.70 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
88.90 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
58.20 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
45.20 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
49.50 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
59.20 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
112.70 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
72.70 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
93.10 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
27.80 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
134.50 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
6.90 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
89.50 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
61.00 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
106.10 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
149.50 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
2.60 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
168.40 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
1.50 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
33.30 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
48.10 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
114.20 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
183.40 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
97.10 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
155.00 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
2.10 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
1.10 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
1.90 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
64.60 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
195.30 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
114.20 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
97.50 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
96.90 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
3.30 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
11.10 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
39.40 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
127.60 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
154.20 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
220.30 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
221.90 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
4.20 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
3.60 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
2.00 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
2.70 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
5.60 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
217.40 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
253.80 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
240.30 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
67.40 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
2.60 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
2.20 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
2.30 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
1.90 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
80.60 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
232.70 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
218.40 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
245.30 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
13.60 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
2.4.0 - 384 meg ppc machine (just for sanity, no idea what
hardware is in it. Exhibits same behaviour as intel machine)
---------------------------------------------------------------
File size: 566231040 Blocks: 138240
161.10 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
168.40 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
170.10 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
164.00 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
90.90 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
2.60 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
0.90 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
0.60 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
0.30 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
0.50 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
0.50 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
16.10 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
51.30 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
182.00 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
136.90 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
126.00 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
20.60 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
0.40 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
0.50 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
0.10 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
0.40 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
0.20 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
0.50 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
9.60 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
19.90 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
54.70 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
88.80 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
27.20 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
49.50 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
1.10 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
0.20 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
10.80 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
16.30 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
72.20 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
136.90 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
114.90 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
89.00 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
32.00 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
0.10 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
0.20 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
0.10 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
0.50 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
4.80 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
15.60 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
28.00 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
159.90 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
54.40 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
74.90 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
2.00 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
0.60 writes/second (10 second average, 4096 byte blocks).
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* Re: Oscillations in disk write compaction, poor interactive performance
2001-04-12 21:34 Oscillations in disk write compaction, poor interactive performance SodaPop
@ 2001-04-16 15:29 ` Pavel Machek
2001-04-17 14:55 ` SodaPop
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From: Pavel Machek @ 2001-04-16 15:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: SodaPop; +Cc: linux-kernel
Hi!
> It also seems that in the 2.4 kernels, we can get into a sort of
> oscillation mode, where we can have long periods of disk activity
> where nothing can get done - the low points, where only 2-3 writes
> per second can occur, so completely screw up the interactive
> performance that you simply have to take your hands off the
> keyboard and go get coffee until the disk writes complete. I know
> we get better performance overall this way, but it can be
> frustrating when this occurs in the middle of video capture.
I see oscilation even in 2.2.X case....
Can you try running while true; do sync; sleep 1; done? It should help.
If it helps, try playing with bdflush/kupdate or how is it called/ parameters.
--
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details at http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pavel/velo/index.html.
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* Re: Oscillations in disk write compaction, poor interactive performance
2001-04-16 15:29 ` Pavel Machek
@ 2001-04-17 14:55 ` SodaPop
2001-04-18 18:40 ` Giuliano Pochini
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From: SodaPop @ 2001-04-17 14:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Pavel Machek; +Cc: linux-kernel
On Mon, 16 Apr 2001, Pavel Machek wrote:
> Hi!
>
> > It also seems that in the 2.4 kernels, we can get into a sort of
> > oscillation mode, where we can have long periods of disk activity
> > where nothing can get done - the low points, where only 2-3 writes
> > per second can occur, so completely screw up the interactive
> > performance that you simply have to take your hands off the
> > keyboard and go get coffee until the disk writes complete. I know
> > we get better performance overall this way, but it can be
> > frustrating when this occurs in the middle of video capture.
>
> I see oscilation even in 2.2.X case....
>
> Can you try running while true; do sync; sleep 1; done? It should help.
>
> If it helps, try playing with bdflush/kupdate or how is it called/ parameters.
>
> --
> Philips Velo 1: 1"x4"x8", 300gram, 60, 12MB, 40bogomips, linux, mutt,
> details at http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pavel/velo/index.html.
>
The problem isn't that it oscillates, at least the oscillations shouldn't
cause any problems - though we probably shouldn't see large scale
oscillations like this anyway.
The problem is that at the low point in the cycle, the machine is
unusable. It is utterly unresponsive until the writes complete, which can
take a very long time (in the case of the ppc machine, several minutes!)
Anything that does disk I/O will block for a long time - having 'ls' take
two minutes is not a good thing.
2.2 does not exhibit this behaviour.
On the plus side, it appears that several other people are reporting this
problem in 2.4, so I don't think I'm totally out to lunch.
-dennis T
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* Re: Oscillations in disk write compaction, poor interactive performance
2001-04-17 14:55 ` SodaPop
@ 2001-04-18 18:40 ` Giuliano Pochini
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From: Giuliano Pochini @ 2001-04-18 18:40 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: SodaPop; +Cc: Pavel Machek, linux-kernel
> The problem is that at the low point in the cycle, the machine is
> unusable. It is utterly unresponsive until the writes complete, which can
> take a very long time (in the case of the ppc machine, several minutes!)
> Anything that does disk I/O will block for a long time - having 'ls' take
> two minutes is not a good thing.
Can you chack how much cpu time do dbflush and kswapd get ?
> 2.2 does not exhibit this behaviour.
2.2 is much worse IMO.
Bye.
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