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From: Richard Gooch <rgooch@ras.ucalgary.ca>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>
Cc: Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Getting FS access events
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 00:20:20 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200105150620.f4F6KKd22491@vindaloo.ras.ucalgary.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105142130480.23663-100000@penguin.transmeta.com>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105142054180.23578-100000@penguin.transmeta.com> <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105142130480.23663-100000@penguin.transmeta.com>

Linus Torvalds writes:
> You could choose to do "partial coherency", ie be coherent only one
> way, for example. That would make the coherency overhead much less,
> but would also make the caches basically act very unpredictably -
> you might have somebody write through the page cache yet on a read
> actually not _see_ what he wrote, because it got written out to disk
> and was shadowed by cached data in the buffer cache that didn't get
> updated.

OK, I see your concern. And the old way of doing things, placing a
copy in the buffer cache when the page cache does a write, will eat
away performance.

However, what about simply invalidating an entry in the buffer cache
when you do a write from the page cache? By the time you get ready to
do the I/O, you have the device bnum, so then isn't it a trivial
operation to index into the buffer cache and invalidate that block?

Is there some other subtlety I'm missing here?

Actually, I'd kind of like it if the page cache steals from the buffer
cache on read. The buffer cache is mostly populated by fsck. Once I've
done the fsck, those buffers are useless to me. They might be useful
again if they are steal-able by the page cache.

				Regards,

					Richard....
Permanent: rgooch@atnf.csiro.au
Current:   rgooch@ras.ucalgary.ca

  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-05-15  6:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 75+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <200105140117.f4E1HqN07362@vindaloo.ras.ucalgary.ca>
2001-05-14  1:32 ` Getting FS access events Linus Torvalds
2001-05-14  1:45   ` Larry McVoy
2001-05-14  2:39   ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-14  3:09     ` Rik van Riel
2001-05-14  4:27     ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-15  4:37     ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-05-23 11:37       ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2001-05-14  2:24 ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-14  4:46   ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-14  5:15   ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-14 13:04     ` Daniel Phillips
2001-05-14 18:00       ` Andreas Dilger
2001-05-14 20:16     ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-14 23:19     ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-15  0:42       ` Daniel Phillips
2001-05-15  4:00       ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15  4:35         ` Larry McVoy
2001-05-15  4:59           ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15 17:01             ` Pavel Machek
2001-05-15  4:43         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15  5:04           ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15 16:17           ` Pavel Machek
2001-05-19 19:39             ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-19 19:44               ` Pavel Machek
2001-05-19 19:47                 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-23 11:29                   ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2001-05-20  4:30               ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-05-20 19:47                 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-18  7:55           ` Rogier Wolff
2001-05-23 11:36             ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2001-05-15  4:57         ` David S. Miller
2001-05-15  5:12           ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15  9:10           ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15  9:48             ` Lars Brinkhoff
2001-05-15  9:54               ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15 20:17               ` Kai Henningsen
2001-05-15 20:58                 ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15 21:08                   ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15  6:20         ` Richard Gooch [this message]
2001-05-15  6:28           ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15  6:49           ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-15  6:57             ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15 10:33               ` Daniel Phillips
2001-05-15 10:44                 ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15 14:42                   ` Daniel Phillips
2001-05-15  7:13             ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15  7:56               ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-05-15  8:06                 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15  8:33                   ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15 10:27                     ` David Woodhouse
2001-05-15 16:00                     ` Chris Mason
2001-05-15 19:26                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 20:03                       ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15 20:07                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 20:15                           ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15 20:17                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 20:22                               ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15 20:26                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 20:31                                   ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15 21:12                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15 21:22                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 21:02                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15 21:53                                   ` Jan Harkes
2001-05-19  5:26                   ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-05-15 10:04             ` Anton Altaparmakov
2001-05-15 19:28               ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 22:31                 ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-05-15 22:35                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-16  1:17                   ` Anton Altaparmakov
2001-05-16  1:30                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-16  8:34                     ` Anton Altaparmakov
2001-05-16 16:27                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 16:26             ` Pavel Machek
2001-05-15 18:02             ` Craig Milo Rogers
2001-05-15  6:13       ` Richard Gooch

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