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From: "Albert D. Cahalan" <acahalan@cs.uml.edu>
To: phillips@bonn-fries.net (Daniel Phillips)
Cc: acahalan@cs.uml.edu (Albert D. Cahalan),
	tuxx@aon.at (Alexander Griesser),
	phillips@bonn-fries.net (Daniel Phillips),
	cw@f00f.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] 64 bit scsi read/write
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 00:29:39 -0400 (EDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200107240429.f6O4Tdt274181@saturn.cs.uml.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <01072316412405.00315@starship> from "Daniel Phillips" at Jul 23, 2001 04:41:24 PM

Daniel Phillips writes:
> On Sunday 22 July 2001 05:52, Albert D. Cahalan wrote:
>> [...]
>>> On Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 09:08:41PM -0400, you wrote:

>>>> In a tree-structured filesystem, checksums on everything would
>>>> only cost you space similar to the number of pointers you have.
>>>> Whenever a non-leaf node points to a child, it can hold a checksum
>>>> for that child as well.  This gives a very reliable way to spot
>>>> filesystem errors, including corrupt data blocks.
...
>> To have a child is to have a checksum+pointer pair.
...
> I agree that your suggestion will work and that doubling the size
> of the metadata isn't an enormous cost, especially if you'd already
> compressed it using extents.  On the other hand, sometimes I just
> feel like trusting the hardware a little.  Both atomic-commit and
> journalling strategies take care of normal failure modes, and the
> disk hardware is supposed to flag other failures by ecc'ing each
> sector on disk.

Maybe you should discuss power-loss behavior with Theodore T'so.
For whatever reason, it seems that many drives and/or controllers
like to scribble on random unrelated sectors as power is lost.

For the atomic-commit case, an additional defense against this
sort of problem might be to keep a few extra trees on disk,
using a generation counter to pick the latest one. This does
bring us back to scanning the whole filesystem at boot though,
in order to disregard snapshots that have been damaged.



  reply	other threads:[~2001-07-24  4:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-07-01  4:53 [RFC][PATCH] first cut 64 bit block support Ben LaHaise
2001-07-03  4:53 ` Ragnar Kjørstad
2001-07-04  2:19   ` [PATCH] 64 bit scsi read/write Ben LaHaise
2001-07-04  7:11     ` Alan Cox
2001-07-05  6:34     ` Ragnar Kjørstad
2001-07-05  7:35       ` Ben LaHaise
2001-07-13 18:20         ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-07-13 20:41           ` Andreas Dilger
2001-07-13 21:07             ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-07-13 22:04               ` Andreas Dilger
2001-07-14  0:49                 ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-07-14 12:27                 ` Paul Jakma
2001-07-14 14:48                   ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-07-14 15:42                     ` Paul Jakma
2001-07-14 17:18                       ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-07-20 17:03                       ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2001-07-16 18:53                   ` Andreas Dilger
2001-07-16 19:13                     ` Ragnar Kjørstad
2001-07-13 21:14             ` Alan Cox
2001-07-14  3:23               ` Andrew Morton
2001-07-14  8:45                 ` Alan Cox
2001-07-14 14:50                   ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-07-14 20:11                     ` Daniel Phillips
2001-07-15  1:21                       ` Andrew Morton
2001-07-15  1:53                         ` Daniel Phillips
2001-07-15  3:36                       ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-07-15  6:05                         ` John Alvord
2001-07-15  6:07                           ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-07-15 13:16                             ` Ken Hirsch
2001-07-15 14:50                               ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-07-15 22:14                               ` Daniel Phillips
2001-07-17  0:31                             ` Juan Quintela
2001-07-15 13:44                         ` Daniel Phillips
2001-07-15 14:39                           ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-07-15 15:32                             ` Alan Cox
2001-07-15 15:33                               ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-07-15 16:24                               ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-07-15 15:06                           ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-07-15 15:22                             ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-07-15 17:44                             ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-07-15 17:47                             ` Justin T. Gibbs
2001-07-15 23:14                               ` Rod Van Meter
2001-07-16  0:37                                 ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-07-16 15:11                                   ` Rod Van Meter
2001-07-16  8:56                               ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-07-16 13:19                                 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-07-16  1:08                           ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-07-16  8:49                             ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-07-21 19:18                             ` Alexander Griesser
2001-07-22  3:52                               ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-07-23 14:41                                 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-07-24  4:29                                   ` Albert D. Cahalan [this message]
2001-07-24 11:45                                     ` Daniel Phillips
2001-07-14 15:41                   ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-07-14 17:00                     ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-07-14 17:33                   ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-07-15  4:02                     ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-07-15  5:46                     ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-07-15 17:10                   ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-07-15 17:39                   ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-07-26  2:18     ` Ragnar Kjørstad
2001-07-26 16:24       ` Andreas Dilger
2001-08-10 19:42       ` Ben LaHaise
2001-08-10 19:51       ` Ragnar Kjørstad
2001-08-10 20:02         ` Ben LaHaise
2001-08-11  0:18           ` Steve Lord
2001-08-11 21:44       ` Matti Aarnio
2001-07-04 10:16 ` [RFC][PATCH] first cut 64 bit block support Chris Wedgwood
2001-07-04 16:59   ` Ben LaHaise
2001-07-14 15:08 [PATCH] 64 bit scsi read/write Ed Tomlinson
2001-07-19  7:35 [PATCH] 64 bit SCSI read/write Andre Hedrick

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