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From: wietse@porcupine.org (Wietse Venema)
To: Andrey Savochkin <saw@saw.sw.com.sg>
Cc: Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>,
	Matthias Andree <matthias.andree@stud.uni-dortmund.de>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Wietse Venema <wietse@porcupine.org>
Subject: Re: ioctl SIOCGIFNETMASK: ip alias bug 2.4.9 and 2.2.19
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 10:04:44 -0400 (EDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20010906140444.75DC1BC06C@spike.porcupine.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20010906173534.A21874@castle.nmd.msu.ru> "from Andrey Savochkin at Sep 6, 2001 05:35:34 pm"

Andrey Savochkin:
> > Even if it checked the address it would not be unique because you can have multiple
> > interfaces with the same addresses but different netmasks.

The same IP address with different netmasks on the same hardware
interface? The mind boggles. How does one handle broadcasts?

> The only one good reason for an SMTP server to bother about IP addresses at
> all is a quick check for mail loops, i.e. a check at the moment of opening
> TCP connection to send a message whether your peer is yourself.
> Bothering about network masks just doesn't have any valid grounds.

The issue is not MTA loop detection.

Postfix uses the local netmask info to distinguish between local
and remote networks. At the discretion of the sysadmin, systems on
local subnets can be granted different rights than random systems
on the Internet.

If Linux insists on breaking SIOCGIFCONF then so be it, even though
it works perfectly well on any non-Linux system that I could lay
my hands on.

	Wietse

  reply	other threads:[~2001-09-06 14:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 76+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20010905170037.A6473@emma1.emma.line.org.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
     [not found] ` <20010905152738.C5912BC06D@spike.porcupine.org.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
     [not found]   ` <20010905182033.D3926@emma1.emma.line.org.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
2001-09-05 19:26     ` ioctl SIOCGIFNETMASK: ip alias bug 2.4.9 and 2.2.19 Andi Kleen
2001-09-06 13:11       ` Matthias Andree
2001-09-06 13:35       ` Andrey Savochkin
2001-09-06 14:04         ` Wietse Venema [this message]
2001-09-06 14:21           ` Matthias Andree
2001-09-06 15:37             ` notion of a local address [was: Re: ioctl SIOCGIFNETMASK: ip alias bug 2.4.9 and 2.2.19] Andrey Savochkin
2001-09-06 15:58               ` Wietse Venema
2001-09-06 16:39                 ` notion of a local address [was: Re: ioctl SIOCGIFNETMASK: ip alias Alan Cox
2001-09-06 16:45                   ` Wietse Venema
2001-09-06 16:44                 ` notion of a local address [was: Re: ioctl SIOCGIFNETMASK: ip alias bug 2.4.9 and 2.2.19] Andrey Savochkin
2001-09-06 16:47                   ` Andi Kleen
2001-09-06 17:04                     ` Andrey Savochkin
2001-09-06 16:50                   ` Wietse Venema
2001-09-06 17:01                     ` notion of a local address [was: Re: ioctl SIOCGIFNETMASK: ip alias Alan Cox
2001-09-06 17:23                       ` Wietse Venema
2001-09-06 17:45                         ` Charles Cazabon
2001-09-06 19:34                         ` Alan Cox
2001-09-06 19:41                           ` Wietse Venema
2001-09-06 20:18                             ` Alan Cox
2001-09-06 20:11                           ` Matthias Andree
2001-09-06 20:23                             ` Alan Cox
2001-09-06 20:31                               ` Andi Kleen
2001-09-06 20:52                                 ` Matthias Andree
2001-09-07  9:06                             ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-09-07  8:52                         ` Matthew Kirkwood
2001-09-08 16:31                           ` Wietse Venema
2001-09-06 18:11                       ` Steve VanDevender
2001-09-06 18:25                         ` Wietse Venema
2001-09-06 19:47                           ` Alan Cox
2001-09-06 20:16                             ` Wietse Venema
2001-09-06 19:10                         ` Steve VanDevender
2001-09-13 14:35                       ` Pavel Machek
2001-09-06 17:03                     ` notion of a local address [was: Re: ioctl SIOCGIFNETMASK: ip alias bug 2.4.9 and 2.2.19] Andi Kleen
2001-09-06 17:23                     ` Andrey Savochkin
2001-09-06 17:39                       ` Wietse Venema
2001-09-06 18:23                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-09-07  1:47                           ` Jamie Lokier
2001-09-07  5:48                           ` notion of a local address [was: Re: ioctl SIOCGIFNETMASK: ip aliasbug " Ben Greear
2001-09-07  5:50                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-09-17 21:39                               ` Ben Greear
2001-09-07  6:26                             ` Andrey Savochkin
2001-09-07  6:21                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-09-06 19:15                         ` notion of a local address [was: Re: ioctl SIOCGIFNETMASK: ip alias bug " dean gaudet
2001-09-06 19:33                           ` Wietse Venema
2001-09-06 20:51                         ` Matti Aarnio
2001-09-07  7:29                           ` Andrey Savochkin
2001-09-07  7:35                             ` Matthias Andree
2001-09-07 10:30                         ` Mike Jagdis
2001-09-07 11:04                           ` Matthias Andree
2001-09-07 15:34                         ` Kurt Roeckx
2001-09-08 13:16                         ` notion of a local address [was: Re: ioctl SIOCGIFNETMASK: ip alias Kai Henningsen
2001-09-06 18:20                 ` notion of a local address [was: Re: ioctl SIOCGIFNETMASK: ip alias bug 2.4.9 and 2.2.19] H. Peter Anvin
2001-09-06 16:01               ` Matthias Andree
2001-09-06 16:38                 ` Andrey Savochkin
2001-09-06 16:43                   ` Wietse Venema
2001-09-06 17:03                     ` Charles Cazabon
2001-09-06 17:05                   ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-09-06 17:37                     ` Andrey Savochkin
2001-09-06 17:55               ` kuznet
2001-09-06 14:51           ` ioctl SIOCGIFNETMASK: ip alias bug 2.4.9 and 2.2.19 Alan Cox
2001-09-06 14:17         ` Matthias Andree
2001-09-08 12:42     ` Kai Henningsen
2001-09-09  0:37       ` Matthias Andree
     [not found] <fa.k8o5i6v.4i8gis@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.fuk70gv.mk6m09@ifi.uio.no>
2001-09-06 21:19   ` Sam Varshavchik
2001-09-05 22:08 jamal
2001-09-06 15:11 ` kuznet
2001-09-06 20:22 ` Matthias Andree
     [not found] <20010905170037.A6473@emma1.emma.line.org>
     [not found] ` <20010905152738.C5912BC06D@spike.porcupine.org>
2001-09-05 16:20   ` Matthias Andree
2001-09-05 18:25     ` Christopher Friesen
2001-09-05 18:34       ` Alan Cox
2001-09-05 21:23         ` Wietse Venema
2001-09-06 18:36           ` Andi Kleen
2001-09-06 18:51             ` Wietse Venema
2001-09-06 19:05               ` Andi Kleen
2001-09-07  9:30               ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-09-07 11:15                 ` Matthias Andree

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