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From: Matthias Andree <matthias.andree@gmx.de>
To: Andrey Savochkin <saw@saw.sw.com.sg>
Cc: Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>,
	Matthias Andree <matthias.andree@stud.uni-dortmund.de>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Wietse Venema <wietse@porcupine.org>
Subject: Re: ioctl SIOCGIFNETMASK: ip alias bug 2.4.9 and 2.2.19
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 16:17:49 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20010906161749.C29583@maggie.dt.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20010905170037.A6473@emma1.emma.line.org.suse.lists.linux.kernel> <20010905152738.C5912BC06D@spike.porcupine.org.suse.lists.linux.kernel> <20010905182033.D3926@emma1.emma.line.org.suse.lists.linux.kernel> <oupg0a1wi9x.fsf@pigdrop.muc.suse.de> <20010906173534.A21874@castle.nmd.msu.ru>
In-Reply-To: <20010906173534.A21874@castle.nmd.msu.ru>; from saw@saw.sw.com.sg on Thu, Sep 06, 2001 at 17:35:34 +0400

On Thu, 06 Sep 2001, Andrey Savochkin wrote:

> Andi, it's right to the point.

It's false.

> The only one good reason for an SMTP server to bother about IP addresses at
> all is a quick check for mail loops, i.e. a check at the moment of opening
> TCP connection to send a message whether your peer is yourself.
> Bothering about network masks just doesn't have any valid grounds.
> It's not possible to answer the right question (whether you talk to yourself)
> inspecting IP addresses.
> In the original example, mail systems on 192.168.0.4 and 192.168.1.1 may be
> different.

I'm not sure where and why you deduce the idea this is about MTA loop
detection or peer recognition.

Any application that uses SIOCGIFNETMASK would do, it just happened that
Postfix's inet_addr_local was the tool I used when I found out the
sysctl had returned the first netmask for the second address on Linux,
but not on FreeBSD.

> So, the very right way of doing things is:
>  - make admin specify the listening addresses for a mail system in the
>    configuration and use them to check for loops;

Or just use IPADDR_ANY...

>  - never try to learn anything about networking configuration.

...which is wrong, because the MTA must know its own IP addresses to
accept domain literals, and SIOCGIFCONF works and returns all addresses,
it just happens that looking up the second and subsequent masks fails.
Please see RFC-1123, section 5.2.17, for details.

-- 
Matthias Andree

  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-09-06 14:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 76+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20010905170037.A6473@emma1.emma.line.org.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
     [not found] ` <20010905152738.C5912BC06D@spike.porcupine.org.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
     [not found]   ` <20010905182033.D3926@emma1.emma.line.org.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
2001-09-05 19:26     ` ioctl SIOCGIFNETMASK: ip alias bug 2.4.9 and 2.2.19 Andi Kleen
2001-09-06 13:11       ` Matthias Andree
2001-09-06 13:35       ` Andrey Savochkin
2001-09-06 14:04         ` Wietse Venema
2001-09-06 14:21           ` Matthias Andree
2001-09-06 15:37             ` notion of a local address [was: Re: ioctl SIOCGIFNETMASK: ip alias bug 2.4.9 and 2.2.19] Andrey Savochkin
2001-09-06 15:58               ` Wietse Venema
2001-09-06 16:39                 ` notion of a local address [was: Re: ioctl SIOCGIFNETMASK: ip alias Alan Cox
2001-09-06 16:45                   ` Wietse Venema
2001-09-06 16:44                 ` notion of a local address [was: Re: ioctl SIOCGIFNETMASK: ip alias bug 2.4.9 and 2.2.19] Andrey Savochkin
2001-09-06 16:47                   ` Andi Kleen
2001-09-06 17:04                     ` Andrey Savochkin
2001-09-06 16:50                   ` Wietse Venema
2001-09-06 17:01                     ` notion of a local address [was: Re: ioctl SIOCGIFNETMASK: ip alias Alan Cox
2001-09-06 17:23                       ` Wietse Venema
2001-09-06 17:45                         ` Charles Cazabon
2001-09-06 19:34                         ` Alan Cox
2001-09-06 19:41                           ` Wietse Venema
2001-09-06 20:18                             ` Alan Cox
2001-09-06 20:11                           ` Matthias Andree
2001-09-06 20:23                             ` Alan Cox
2001-09-06 20:31                               ` Andi Kleen
2001-09-06 20:52                                 ` Matthias Andree
2001-09-07  9:06                             ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-09-07  8:52                         ` Matthew Kirkwood
2001-09-08 16:31                           ` Wietse Venema
2001-09-06 18:11                       ` Steve VanDevender
2001-09-06 18:25                         ` Wietse Venema
2001-09-06 19:47                           ` Alan Cox
2001-09-06 20:16                             ` Wietse Venema
2001-09-06 19:10                         ` Steve VanDevender
2001-09-13 14:35                       ` Pavel Machek
2001-09-06 17:03                     ` notion of a local address [was: Re: ioctl SIOCGIFNETMASK: ip alias bug 2.4.9 and 2.2.19] Andi Kleen
2001-09-06 17:23                     ` Andrey Savochkin
2001-09-06 17:39                       ` Wietse Venema
2001-09-06 18:23                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-09-07  1:47                           ` Jamie Lokier
2001-09-07  5:48                           ` notion of a local address [was: Re: ioctl SIOCGIFNETMASK: ip aliasbug " Ben Greear
2001-09-07  5:50                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-09-17 21:39                               ` Ben Greear
2001-09-07  6:26                             ` Andrey Savochkin
2001-09-07  6:21                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-09-06 19:15                         ` notion of a local address [was: Re: ioctl SIOCGIFNETMASK: ip alias bug " dean gaudet
2001-09-06 19:33                           ` Wietse Venema
2001-09-06 20:51                         ` Matti Aarnio
2001-09-07  7:29                           ` Andrey Savochkin
2001-09-07  7:35                             ` Matthias Andree
2001-09-07 10:30                         ` Mike Jagdis
2001-09-07 11:04                           ` Matthias Andree
2001-09-07 15:34                         ` Kurt Roeckx
2001-09-08 13:16                         ` notion of a local address [was: Re: ioctl SIOCGIFNETMASK: ip alias Kai Henningsen
2001-09-06 18:20                 ` notion of a local address [was: Re: ioctl SIOCGIFNETMASK: ip alias bug 2.4.9 and 2.2.19] H. Peter Anvin
2001-09-06 16:01               ` Matthias Andree
2001-09-06 16:38                 ` Andrey Savochkin
2001-09-06 16:43                   ` Wietse Venema
2001-09-06 17:03                     ` Charles Cazabon
2001-09-06 17:05                   ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-09-06 17:37                     ` Andrey Savochkin
2001-09-06 17:55               ` kuznet
2001-09-06 14:51           ` ioctl SIOCGIFNETMASK: ip alias bug 2.4.9 and 2.2.19 Alan Cox
2001-09-06 14:17         ` Matthias Andree [this message]
2001-09-08 12:42     ` Kai Henningsen
2001-09-09  0:37       ` Matthias Andree
     [not found] <fa.k8o5i6v.4i8gis@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.fuk70gv.mk6m09@ifi.uio.no>
2001-09-06 21:19   ` Sam Varshavchik
2001-09-05 22:08 jamal
2001-09-06 15:11 ` kuznet
2001-09-06 20:22 ` Matthias Andree
     [not found] <20010905170037.A6473@emma1.emma.line.org>
     [not found] ` <20010905152738.C5912BC06D@spike.porcupine.org>
2001-09-05 16:20   ` Matthias Andree
2001-09-05 18:25     ` Christopher Friesen
2001-09-05 18:34       ` Alan Cox
2001-09-05 21:23         ` Wietse Venema
2001-09-06 18:36           ` Andi Kleen
2001-09-06 18:51             ` Wietse Venema
2001-09-06 19:05               ` Andi Kleen
2001-09-07  9:30               ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-09-07 11:15                 ` Matthias Andree

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