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From: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de>
To: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, jamal <hadi@cyberus.ca>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Alexey Kuznetsov <kuznet@ms2.inr.ac.ru>,
	Robert Olsson <Robert.Olsson@data.slu.se>,
	Benjamin LaHaise <bcrl@redhat.com>,
	netdev@oss.sgi.com, Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>
Subject: Re: [announce] [patch] limiting IRQ load, irq-rewrite-2.4.11-B5
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 17:19:52 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20011008171952.Z726@athlon.random> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20011008023118.L726@athlon.random> <E15qbtV-0000hd-00@the-village.bc.nu>
In-Reply-To: <E15qbtV-0000hd-00@the-village.bc.nu>; from alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk on Mon, Oct 08, 2001 at 04:00:36PM +0100

On Mon, Oct 08, 2001 at 04:00:36PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote:
> > Of course we agree that such a "polling router/firewall" behaviour must
> > not be the default but it must be enabled on demand by the admin via
> > sysctl or whatever else userspace API. And I don't see any problem with
> > that.
> 
> No I don't agree. "Stop random end users crashing my machine at will" is not
> a magic sysctl option - its a default. 

The "random user hanging my machine" has nothing to do with "it is ok in
a router to dedicate one cpu to polling".

The whole email was about "in a router is ok to poll" I'm not saying "to
solve the food problem you should be forced to turn on polling".

I also said that if you turn on polling you also solve the DoS, yes, but
that was just a side note. My only implicit thought about the side note
was that most machines sensible to the  DoS are routers where people
wants the max performance and where they can dedicate one cpu (also in
UP) to polling.  So the only argument I can make is that the amount of
userbase concerned about the "current" hardirq DoS would decrease
significantly if polling method would becomes available in linux.

I'm certainly not saying that the "stop random user crashing my machine
at will" should be a sysctl option and not the default.

Andrea

  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-10-08 15:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 151+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-10-02  0:41 [announce] [patch] limiting IRQ load, irq-rewrite-2.4.11-B5 jamal
2001-10-02  1:04 ` Benjamin LaHaise
2001-10-02  1:54   ` jamal
2001-10-02  5:13     ` Benjamin LaHaise
2001-10-02  5:55       ` Ben Greear
2001-10-03  9:22         ` Ingo Molnar
2001-10-03 14:06           ` David Brownell
2001-10-02 12:10       ` jamal
2001-10-02 22:00         ` jamal
2001-10-03  8:34           ` Ingo Molnar
2001-10-03  9:29             ` Helge Hafting
2001-10-03 12:49             ` jamal
2001-10-03 14:51               ` Ingo Molnar
2001-10-03 15:14                 ` jamal
2001-10-03 17:28                   ` Ingo Molnar
2001-10-04  0:53                     ` jamal
2001-10-04  6:28                       ` Ingo Molnar
2001-10-04 11:34                         ` jamal
2001-10-04 17:40                           ` Andreas Dilger
2001-10-04 18:33                             ` jamal
2001-10-04  6:50                       ` Ben Greear
2001-10-04  6:52                         ` Ingo Molnar
2001-10-04 11:50                           ` jamal
2001-10-04  6:55                         ` Jeff Garzik
2001-10-04  6:56                           ` Ingo Molnar
2001-10-04 21:28                 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-10-04 21:49                   ` Benjamin LaHaise
2001-10-04 23:20                     ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-10-04 23:26                       ` Benjamin LaHaise
2001-10-04 23:47                       ` Robert Love
2001-10-04 23:51                         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-05  0:00                           ` Ben Greear
2001-10-05  0:18                             ` Davide Libenzi
2001-10-05  2:01                             ` jamal
2001-10-04 22:01                   ` Simon Kirby
2001-10-04 23:25                     ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-10-04 23:34                       ` Simon Kirby
2001-10-04 22:10                   ` Alan Cox
2001-10-04 23:28                     ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-10-05 15:22                   ` Robert Olsson
2001-10-03  9:38           ` Ingo Molnar
2001-10-03 13:03             ` jamal
2001-10-03 13:25               ` jamal
2001-10-03 15:28               ` Ingo Molnar
2001-10-03 15:56                 ` jamal
2001-10-03 16:51                   ` Ingo Molnar
2001-10-04  0:46                     ` jamal
2001-10-08  0:31                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-10-08  4:58                       ` Bernd Eckenfels
2001-10-08 15:00                       ` Alan Cox
2001-10-08 15:03                         ` Jeff Garzik
2001-10-08 15:12                           ` Alan Cox
2001-10-08 15:09                             ` jamal
2001-10-08 15:22                               ` Alan Cox
2001-10-08 15:20                                 ` jamal
2001-10-08 15:35                                   ` Alan Cox
2001-10-08 15:57                                     ` jamal
2001-10-08 16:11                                       ` Alan Cox
2001-10-08 16:11                                         ` jamal
2001-10-10 16:26                                         ` Pavel Machek
2001-10-10 16:25                                     ` Pavel Machek
2001-10-08 15:24                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-10-08 15:35                               ` Alan Cox
2001-10-08 15:19                         ` Andrea Arcangeli [this message]
2001-10-08 15:10                       ` bill davidsen
2001-10-03 21:08                   ` Robert Olsson
2001-10-03 22:22                     ` Andreas Dilger
2001-10-04 17:32                       ` Davide Libenzi
2001-10-05 14:52                     ` Robert Olsson
2001-10-05 18:48                       ` Andreas Dilger
2001-10-05 19:07                         ` Davide Libenzi
2001-10-05 19:17                         ` kuznet
2001-10-08 13:58                           ` jamal
2001-10-08 17:42                           ` Robert Olsson
2001-10-08 17:39                             ` jamal
2001-10-07  6:11                         ` Robert Olsson
2001-10-03 16:53                 ` kuznet
2001-10-03 17:06                   ` Ingo Molnar
2001-10-04  0:44                     ` jamal
2001-10-04  6:35                       ` Ingo Molnar
2001-10-04 11:41                         ` jamal
2001-10-05 16:42                         ` kuznet
2001-10-04 13:05                       ` Robert Olsson
2001-10-03 19:03                   ` Benjamin LaHaise
2001-10-04  1:10                     ` jamal
2001-10-04  1:30                       ` Benjamin LaHaise
2001-10-03 22:31                         ` Rob Landley
2001-10-04  1:39                         ` jamal
2001-10-03 15:42               ` Ben Greear
2001-10-03 15:58                 ` jamal
2001-10-03 16:09                   ` Ben Greear
2001-10-03 16:14                     ` Ingo Molnar
2001-10-03 16:20                     ` Jeff Garzik
2001-10-03 16:33                 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-03 17:25                   ` Ingo Molnar
2001-10-03 18:11                     ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-03 20:41                       ` Jeremy Hansen
2001-10-03 20:02                   ` Simon Kirby
2001-10-04  1:04                     ` jamal
2001-10-04  6:47                       ` Ben Greear
2001-10-04  7:41                         ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-10-04 16:09                           ` Ben Greear
2001-10-04 17:32                             ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-10-04 18:03                               ` Ben Greear
2001-10-04 18:30                           ` Christopher E. Brown
2001-10-04 11:47                         ` jamal
2001-10-04 15:56                           ` Ben Greear
2001-10-04 18:23                             ` jamal
2001-10-04  6:50                       ` Ingo Molnar
2001-10-04 11:49                         ` jamal
2001-10-04  8:45                       ` Simon Kirby
2001-10-04 11:54                         ` jamal
2001-10-04 15:03                           ` Tim Hockin
2001-10-04 18:55                           ` Ion Badulescu
2001-10-04 19:00                             ` jamal
2001-10-04 21:16                               ` Ion Badulescu
2001-10-04  4:12                   ` bill davidsen
2001-10-04 18:16                   ` Alan Cox
2001-10-03 13:38             ` Robert Olsson
2001-10-04 21:22               ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-10-05 14:32               ` Robert Olsson
2001-10-03  8:38         ` Ingo Molnar
2001-10-04  3:50           ` bill davidsen
2001-10-02 17:03       ` Robert Olsson
2001-10-02 17:37         ` jamal
2001-10-02 19:46         ` Andreas Dilger
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-10-08 14:45 jamal
2001-10-09  0:36 ` Scott Laird
2001-10-09  3:17   ` jamal
2001-10-09  4:04 ` Werner Almesberger
2001-10-04  8:25 Magnus Redin
2001-10-04 11:39 ` Trever L. Adams
     [not found] <200110031811.f93IBoN10026@penguin.transmeta.com>
2001-10-03 18:23 ` Ingo Molnar
2001-10-04  9:19   ` BALBIR SINGH
2001-10-04  9:22     ` Ingo Molnar
2001-10-04  9:49       ` BALBIR SINGH
2001-10-04 10:25         ` Ingo Molnar
2001-10-07 20:37           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-10-03 14:15 Manfred Spraul
2001-10-03 15:09 ` jamal
2001-10-03 18:37   ` Davide Libenzi
2001-10-01 22:16 Ingo Molnar
2001-10-01 22:26 ` Tim Hockin
2001-10-01 22:50   ` Ingo Molnar
2001-10-01 22:36 ` Andreas Dilger
2001-10-01 22:50 ` Ben Greear
2001-10-02 14:30   ` Alan Cox
2001-10-02 20:51     ` Ingo Molnar
2001-10-01 23:03 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-02  6:50 ` Marcus Sundberg
2001-10-03  8:47   ` Ingo Molnar

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