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From: Alex Bligh - linux-kernel <linux-kernel@alex.org.uk>
To: Benjamin LaHaise <bcrl@redhat.com>,
	Alex Bligh - linux-kernel <linux-kernel@alex.org.uk>
Cc: mingo@elte.hu, jamal <hadi@cyberus.ca>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Alexey Kuznetsov <kuznet@ms2.inr.ac.ru>,
	Robert Olsson <Robert.Olsson@data.slu.se>,
	netdev@oss.sgi.com, Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>,
	Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Simon Kirby <sim@netnation.com>,
	Alex Bligh - linux-kernel <linux-kernel@alex.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [announce] [patch] limiting IRQ load, irq-rewrite-2.4.11-B5
Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 00:20:34 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <309455016.1002241234@[195.224.237.69]> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20011004174945.B18528@redhat.com>
In-Reply-To: <20011004174945.B18528@redhat.com>



--On Thursday, 04 October, 2001 5:49 PM -0400 Benjamin LaHaise 
<bcrl@redhat.com> wrote:

>> In at least one environment known to me (router), I'd rather it
>> kept accepting packets, and f/w'ing them, and didn't switch VTs etc.
>> By dropping down performance, you've made the DoS attack even
>> more successful than it would otherwise have been (the kiddie
>> looks at effect on the host at the end).
>
> Then bug the driver author of your ethernet cards or turn the hammer off.
>  You're the sysadmin, you know that your system is unusual.  Deal with it.

The hammer has an average age of 13yrs and is difficult to turn off,
unfortunately.

Rather than bugging the author of the driver card, we've actually
been trying to fix it, down to rewriting the firmware. So for
this purpose I/we am/are the driver maintainer thanks. However,
there are limitations like bus speed which mean that in practice
if we receive a large enough number of small packets each second,
the box will saturate.

My point was merely that some applications (and using a linux
box as a router is not that 'unusual') want to deprioritize
different things under resource starvation. Changing the default,
in an unconfigurable way, isn't a great idea. Sure dealing
with external resource exhaustions for hosts is indeed a good
idea. I was just suggesting that it wasn't always what you
wanted to do.

Not sure this required jumping down my throat.

--
Alex Bligh

  reply	other threads:[~2001-10-04 23:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 151+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-10-02  0:41 [announce] [patch] limiting IRQ load, irq-rewrite-2.4.11-B5 jamal
2001-10-02  1:04 ` Benjamin LaHaise
2001-10-02  1:54   ` jamal
2001-10-02  5:13     ` Benjamin LaHaise
2001-10-02  5:55       ` Ben Greear
2001-10-03  9:22         ` Ingo Molnar
2001-10-03 14:06           ` David Brownell
2001-10-02 12:10       ` jamal
2001-10-02 22:00         ` jamal
2001-10-03  8:34           ` Ingo Molnar
2001-10-03  9:29             ` Helge Hafting
2001-10-03 12:49             ` jamal
2001-10-03 14:51               ` Ingo Molnar
2001-10-03 15:14                 ` jamal
2001-10-03 17:28                   ` Ingo Molnar
2001-10-04  0:53                     ` jamal
2001-10-04  6:28                       ` Ingo Molnar
2001-10-04 11:34                         ` jamal
2001-10-04 17:40                           ` Andreas Dilger
2001-10-04 18:33                             ` jamal
2001-10-04  6:50                       ` Ben Greear
2001-10-04  6:52                         ` Ingo Molnar
2001-10-04 11:50                           ` jamal
2001-10-04  6:55                         ` Jeff Garzik
2001-10-04  6:56                           ` Ingo Molnar
2001-10-04 21:28                 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-10-04 21:49                   ` Benjamin LaHaise
2001-10-04 23:20                     ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel [this message]
2001-10-04 23:26                       ` Benjamin LaHaise
2001-10-04 23:47                       ` Robert Love
2001-10-04 23:51                         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-05  0:00                           ` Ben Greear
2001-10-05  0:18                             ` Davide Libenzi
2001-10-05  2:01                             ` jamal
2001-10-04 22:01                   ` Simon Kirby
2001-10-04 23:25                     ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-10-04 23:34                       ` Simon Kirby
2001-10-04 22:10                   ` Alan Cox
2001-10-04 23:28                     ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-10-05 15:22                   ` Robert Olsson
2001-10-03  9:38           ` Ingo Molnar
2001-10-03 13:03             ` jamal
2001-10-03 13:25               ` jamal
2001-10-03 15:28               ` Ingo Molnar
2001-10-03 15:56                 ` jamal
2001-10-03 16:51                   ` Ingo Molnar
2001-10-04  0:46                     ` jamal
2001-10-08  0:31                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-10-08  4:58                       ` Bernd Eckenfels
2001-10-08 15:00                       ` Alan Cox
2001-10-08 15:03                         ` Jeff Garzik
2001-10-08 15:12                           ` Alan Cox
2001-10-08 15:09                             ` jamal
2001-10-08 15:22                               ` Alan Cox
2001-10-08 15:20                                 ` jamal
2001-10-08 15:35                                   ` Alan Cox
2001-10-08 15:57                                     ` jamal
2001-10-08 16:11                                       ` Alan Cox
2001-10-08 16:11                                         ` jamal
2001-10-10 16:26                                         ` Pavel Machek
2001-10-10 16:25                                     ` Pavel Machek
2001-10-08 15:24                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-10-08 15:35                               ` Alan Cox
2001-10-08 15:19                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-10-08 15:10                       ` bill davidsen
2001-10-03 21:08                   ` Robert Olsson
2001-10-03 22:22                     ` Andreas Dilger
2001-10-04 17:32                       ` Davide Libenzi
2001-10-05 14:52                     ` Robert Olsson
2001-10-05 18:48                       ` Andreas Dilger
2001-10-05 19:07                         ` Davide Libenzi
2001-10-05 19:17                         ` kuznet
2001-10-08 13:58                           ` jamal
2001-10-08 17:42                           ` Robert Olsson
2001-10-08 17:39                             ` jamal
2001-10-07  6:11                         ` Robert Olsson
2001-10-03 16:53                 ` kuznet
2001-10-03 17:06                   ` Ingo Molnar
2001-10-04  0:44                     ` jamal
2001-10-04  6:35                       ` Ingo Molnar
2001-10-04 11:41                         ` jamal
2001-10-05 16:42                         ` kuznet
2001-10-04 13:05                       ` Robert Olsson
2001-10-03 19:03                   ` Benjamin LaHaise
2001-10-04  1:10                     ` jamal
2001-10-04  1:30                       ` Benjamin LaHaise
2001-10-03 22:31                         ` Rob Landley
2001-10-04  1:39                         ` jamal
2001-10-03 15:42               ` Ben Greear
2001-10-03 15:58                 ` jamal
2001-10-03 16:09                   ` Ben Greear
2001-10-03 16:14                     ` Ingo Molnar
2001-10-03 16:20                     ` Jeff Garzik
2001-10-03 16:33                 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-03 17:25                   ` Ingo Molnar
2001-10-03 18:11                     ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-03 20:41                       ` Jeremy Hansen
2001-10-03 20:02                   ` Simon Kirby
2001-10-04  1:04                     ` jamal
2001-10-04  6:47                       ` Ben Greear
2001-10-04  7:41                         ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-10-04 16:09                           ` Ben Greear
2001-10-04 17:32                             ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-10-04 18:03                               ` Ben Greear
2001-10-04 18:30                           ` Christopher E. Brown
2001-10-04 11:47                         ` jamal
2001-10-04 15:56                           ` Ben Greear
2001-10-04 18:23                             ` jamal
2001-10-04  6:50                       ` Ingo Molnar
2001-10-04 11:49                         ` jamal
2001-10-04  8:45                       ` Simon Kirby
2001-10-04 11:54                         ` jamal
2001-10-04 15:03                           ` Tim Hockin
2001-10-04 18:55                           ` Ion Badulescu
2001-10-04 19:00                             ` jamal
2001-10-04 21:16                               ` Ion Badulescu
2001-10-04  4:12                   ` bill davidsen
2001-10-04 18:16                   ` Alan Cox
2001-10-03 13:38             ` Robert Olsson
2001-10-04 21:22               ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-10-05 14:32               ` Robert Olsson
2001-10-03  8:38         ` Ingo Molnar
2001-10-04  3:50           ` bill davidsen
2001-10-02 17:03       ` Robert Olsson
2001-10-02 17:37         ` jamal
2001-10-02 19:46         ` Andreas Dilger
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-10-08 14:45 jamal
2001-10-09  0:36 ` Scott Laird
2001-10-09  3:17   ` jamal
2001-10-09  4:04 ` Werner Almesberger
2001-10-04  8:25 Magnus Redin
2001-10-04 11:39 ` Trever L. Adams
     [not found] <200110031811.f93IBoN10026@penguin.transmeta.com>
2001-10-03 18:23 ` Ingo Molnar
2001-10-04  9:19   ` BALBIR SINGH
2001-10-04  9:22     ` Ingo Molnar
2001-10-04  9:49       ` BALBIR SINGH
2001-10-04 10:25         ` Ingo Molnar
2001-10-07 20:37           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-10-03 14:15 Manfred Spraul
2001-10-03 15:09 ` jamal
2001-10-03 18:37   ` Davide Libenzi
2001-10-01 22:16 Ingo Molnar
2001-10-01 22:26 ` Tim Hockin
2001-10-01 22:50   ` Ingo Molnar
2001-10-01 22:36 ` Andreas Dilger
2001-10-01 22:50 ` Ben Greear
2001-10-02 14:30   ` Alan Cox
2001-10-02 20:51     ` Ingo Molnar
2001-10-01 23:03 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-02  6:50 ` Marcus Sundberg
2001-10-03  8:47   ` Ingo Molnar

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