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From: Zack Brown <zbrown@tumblerings.org>
To: Horst von Brand <vonbrand@inf.utfsm.cl>
Cc: Daniel Phillips <phillips@arcor.de>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: BitBucket: GPL-ed KitBeeper clone
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 21:22:25 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20030312052225.GO4716@renegade> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200303120347.h2C3loEG002703@eeyore.valparaiso.cl>

On Tue, Mar 11, 2003 at 11:47:50PM -0400, Horst von Brand wrote:
> Zack Brown <zbrown@tumblerings.org> said:
> > --------------------------------- cut here ---------------------------------
> > 
> >            Linux Kernel Requirements For A Version Control System    
> > 
> > Document version 0.0.1
> 
> [...]
> 
> > In the context of sharing changesets between repositories, a changeset
> > consists of a diff between the set of files in the local and remote
> > repositories.
> 
> I don't think it is a good idea to handle differences _between_
> repositories, as they could be arbitrary and change in time. A change
> _within_ a repository is well defined.

But isn't it necessary to excange changesets between repositories? How
else would a developer choose exactly what changes get merged with a
remote repository?

> 
> >   2. Behavior
> > 
> >     2.1 Tagging
> > 
> > It must be trivial for a developer to tag a file as part of a given
> > changeset.
> 
> An individual change, not a file. You need to focus on changes to files,
> not files. I.e., file appeared/dissapeared/changed name/was edited by
> altering lines so and so. 
> 
> The bk method of accepting individual changes, and then bundling them up
> should be enough, people tend to work at one problem at a time.

I'm not so familiar with how BitKeeper operates. What do you mean by
"accepting individual changes, and then bundling them up"?

> > The implementation must not depend on time being accurately reported by any
> > of the repositories.
> 
> It is more complicated than that. On a distributed system without some form
> of shared clock it might be impossible (== nonsense, like in relativity
> theory) to talk of a global "before" and "after"

Maybe the system should simply ignore the whole concept of time as occurring
in discrete ticks, and just measure time as the relative history of
changesets. That might give it enough of a basis to make estimates on which
changes came 'before' and 'after' other changes in most cases. I imagine a
lot of subtle intelligence could be implemented. And for situations defying
that intelligence, the system could query the user.

> > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> > This document is copyright Zack Brown and released under the terms of the
> > GNU General Public License, version 2.0.
> > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> 
> Why not the documentation license? Just curious.

I read it when it first came out, and it just seemed to be trying to do
something that wasn't really feasible, and to do it in a fairly arbitrary
way. Besides, the protections it claimed to offer didn't interest me. The
GPL may have a soft spot or two, but I really like it, and I think it
applies just as well to text as to computer program code.

> > 
> > --------------------------------- cut here ---------------------------------
> -- 
> Dr. Horst H. von Brand                   User #22616 counter.li.org
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-- 
Zack Brown

  parent reply	other threads:[~2003-03-12  5:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 199+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-03-02  0:11 BitBucket: GPL-ed KitBeeper clone Adam J. Richter
2003-03-02  0:20 ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-02  0:20 ` David Lang
2003-03-02  0:49 ` Arador
2003-03-02  1:03   ` Jeff Garzik
2003-03-02  2:15   ` Alan Cox
2003-03-02  1:19     ` Jeff Garzik
2003-03-02  1:40       ` BitBucket: GPL-ed *notrademarkhere* clone Andrea Arcangeli
2003-03-02  1:45         ` Jeff Garzik
2003-03-02  2:09           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-03-02 17:28             ` Jeff Garzik
2003-03-02 18:16               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-03-02 20:12                 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-03-02 21:49                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2003-03-03 18:37                 ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-03 18:46                   ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-03 22:57                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-03-03 23:14                     ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-03 23:56                     ` David Lang
2003-03-04  0:02                       ` Jeff Garzik
2003-03-04  0:05                         ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-04  0:15                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-03-04  0:30                           ` Jeff Garzik
2003-03-04  2:20                       ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-03-04  5:29                         ` Linus Torvalds
2003-03-04  5:56                           ` Dimitrie O. Paun
2003-03-04 14:51                             ` Jeff Garzik
2003-03-02  3:29           ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-03-02 17:12             ` Jeff Garzik
2003-03-02 18:39               ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-03-02 20:01                 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-03-03  0:47               ` nickn
2003-03-03  0:55                 ` David Lang
2003-03-03  2:31                   ` Jeff Garzik
2003-03-03  2:32                 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-03-04  1:07                   ` Horst von Brand
2003-03-04  1:10                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-03-03 21:53               ` Joel Becker
2003-03-04 23:37                 ` Olaf Hering
2003-03-06 16:47                 ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-06 16:41               ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-07 11:24                 ` Tupshin Harper
2003-03-07 11:28                   ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-07 21:53                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-03-08 23:18                   ` Daniel Phillips
2003-03-03  0:13           ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-03  0:10       ` BitBucket: GPL-ed KitBeeper clone Pavel Machek
2003-03-04 16:16         ` David Woodhouse
2003-03-04 16:27           ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-02  1:26 ` Olivier Galibert
2003-03-06 16:18   ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-07 12:12     ` Olivier Galibert
2003-03-07 12:32       ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-07 16:54         ` Olivier Galibert
2003-03-07 17:14           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2003-03-07 19:08           ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-07 19:25             ` Eli Carter
2003-03-07 20:29               ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-07 23:16             ` Linus Torvalds
2003-03-08 22:52               ` Zack Brown
2003-03-09  0:05                 ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-09  1:21                   ` Davide Libenzi
2003-03-09  2:45                   ` Zack Brown
2003-03-09  3:19                     ` Roman Zippel
2003-03-09  3:42                       ` Linus Torvalds
2003-03-09  4:32                         ` Roman Zippel
2003-03-09 13:34                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-03-09 15:35                             ` Roman Zippel
2003-03-09 16:55                               ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-03-09 17:20                                 ` Zack Brown
2003-03-09 17:48                                   ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-03-09 19:58                                   ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-09 21:32                                     ` Zack Brown
2003-03-09 21:54                                       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-03-09 23:28                                         ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-13 20:00                                     ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-09 17:39                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-03-09 17:58                                   ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-03-09 18:20                                   ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-09 23:19                                     ` fs
2003-03-13  0:41                                     ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-13 21:21                                       ` Horst von Brand
2003-03-09 20:01                                   ` Roman Zippel
2003-03-13  0:13                             ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-09 14:49                         ` Olivier Galibert
2003-03-13  0:05                         ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-10  0:02                     ` Thoughts about ideal kernel SCM Petr Baudis
2003-03-10  0:32                       ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-12 19:29                         ` Petr Baudis
2003-03-13 10:36                       ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-14 22:56                         ` Petr Baudis
2003-03-17 20:59                       ` Petr Baudis
2003-03-10  3:41                     ` BitBucket: GPL-ed KitBeeper clone Horst von Brand
2003-03-10 13:52                       ` Jamie Lokier
2003-03-10 23:03                     ` Daniel Phillips
2003-03-11 18:40                       ` Zack Brown
2003-03-11 18:46                         ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-03-11 19:30                           ` Daniel Phillips
2003-03-11 19:33                             ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-03-11 20:08                               ` Andrew Morton
2003-03-11 20:29                                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-03-12  6:14                             ` Werner Almesberger
2003-03-13  2:48                               ` Daniel Phillips
2003-03-13  3:11                                 ` Werner Almesberger
2003-03-14 12:29                             ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-15 20:53                               ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-03-15 21:26                               ` Daniel Phillips
2003-03-15 21:32                               ` Petr Baudis
2003-03-15 23:39                                 ` Petr Baudis
2003-03-16  0:39                               ` Horst von Brand
2003-04-07 21:22                               ` Petr Baudis
2003-03-12  3:47                         ` Horst von Brand
2003-03-12  4:03                           ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-12  4:49                             ` [PATCH] ~/kernel/sys.c (2.5.64) (trivial) Jay Patrick Howard
2003-03-12  5:22                           ` Zack Brown [this message]
2003-03-12  5:44                             ` BitBucket: GPL-ed KitBeeper clone Horst von Brand
2003-03-12 13:48                               ` Daniel Phillips
2003-03-13  1:03                                 ` Horst von Brand
2003-03-13 16:53                                   ` Daniel Phillips
2003-03-15 15:02                                     ` Horst von Brand
2003-03-15 21:25                                       ` Daniel Phillips
2003-03-12  6:19                             ` Werner Almesberger
2003-03-13  1:31                               ` Horst von Brand
2003-03-12 15:32                             ` Horst von Brand
2003-03-12 16:13                               ` Daniel Phillips
2003-03-12 20:37                                 ` Horst von Brand
2003-03-12 20:54                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-03-13  2:00                                   ` Daniel Phillips
2003-03-15  1:03                                     ` Horst von Brand
2003-03-12 13:22                           ` Daniel Phillips
2003-03-13  0:52                             ` Horst von Brand
2003-03-13 17:00                               ` Daniel Phillips
2003-03-13 21:48                                 ` Zack Brown
2003-03-13 22:04                                   ` Daniel Phillips
2003-03-15 16:21                                 ` Horst von Brand
2003-03-15 21:25                                   ` Daniel Phillips
2003-03-15 21:53                                     ` Robert Anderson
2003-03-15 21:50                                       ` Randy.Dunlap
2003-03-15 22:16                                         ` Robert Anderson
2003-03-15 22:18                                         ` Robert Anderson
2003-03-16  0:18                                       ` Petr Baudis
2003-03-16  0:53                                         ` Davide Libenzi
2003-03-16  0:55                                         ` [arch-users] " Stig Brautaset
2003-03-16  1:44                                         ` Tom Lord
2003-03-16  2:06                                           ` Adam Spiers
2003-03-16  3:28                                             ` David Lang
2003-03-16  5:43                                         ` Robert Anderson
2003-03-16 11:57                                         ` (Re: BitBucket: GPL-ed KitBeeper clone) Moving to arch-users Petr Baudis
2003-03-14 11:34                         ` BitBucket: GPL-ed KitBeeper clone Pavel Machek
2003-03-12 23:38                     ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-09  2:06             ` Horst von Brand
     [not found]             ` <b4b98v_14m_1@penguin.transmeta.com>
2003-03-12 23:23               ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-13 21:15                 ` Horst von Brand
2003-03-08  0:18       ` Olaf Dietsche
2003-03-02  1:37 ` Filip Van Raemdonck
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-04-08 17:52 Chuck Ebbert
2003-04-08 18:02 ` Larry McVoy
2003-04-08 23:19   ` Jamie Lokier
2003-04-09  0:47     ` Larry McVoy
2003-04-09  1:34       ` Jamie Lokier
2003-04-09  1:43       ` Robert White
2003-04-09  2:09     ` Mark Mielke
2003-04-09 13:14       ` Mr. James W. Laferriere
2003-04-09 13:35         ` Matti Aarnio
2003-04-08 13:06 Chuck Ebbert
2003-04-07 23:57 Chuck Ebbert
2003-04-08  0:30 ` Larry McVoy
     [not found] <1047571030.5373.161.camel@passion.cambridge.redhat.com>
2003-03-15 14:17 ` Horst von Brand
2003-03-15 18:48   ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-15 18:51   ` David Woodhouse
     [not found] <20030309001008$2ed5@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found] ` <20030309001008$4e61@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]   ` <20030309001008$0732@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]     ` <20030309001008$747c@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]       ` <20030309001008$6342@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-03-15 10:47         ` Kai Henningsen
2003-03-13 16:21 Ed Vance
2003-03-15 14:31 ` Horst von Brand
2003-03-12 19:00 Kaz Kylheku
2003-03-03 17:02 Adam J. Richter
2003-03-02  2:23 Adam J. Richter
2003-03-03 15:26 ` Edward S. Marshall
2003-03-03 23:06   ` Daniel Phillips
2003-02-26 20:02 BitBucket: GPL-ed BitKeeper clone Pavel Machek
2003-03-01 18:05 ` BitBucket: GPL-ed KitBeeper clone Pavel Janík
2003-03-01 18:39   ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-03-01 22:43     ` Pavel Janík
2003-03-02  9:11       ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-03-02  9:30         ` John Bradford
2003-03-02  9:32           ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-03-03 12:39           ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-03 14:12           ` Alan Cox
2003-03-03 13:57             ` John Bradford
2003-03-03 14:22               ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-03-03 15:08                 ` John Bradford
2003-03-03 17:50                   ` David Lang
2003-03-03 19:37                   ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-03 19:49                     ` John Bradford
2003-03-03 14:22               ` Charles Cazabon
2003-03-02  9:57         ` Pavel Janík
2003-03-03  8:05       ` Helge Hafting
2003-03-03  8:28         ` Bernd Eckenfels
2003-03-01 20:58   ` Paul Fulghum
2003-03-02  4:52     ` Mike Galbraith
2003-03-03  0:02   ` Pavel Machek

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