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From: David Lang <david.lang@digitalinsight.com>
To: John Bradford <john@grabjohn.com>
Cc: root@chaos.analogic.com, alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk,
	hch@infradead.org, pavel@janik.cz, pavel@ucw.cz,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: BitBucket: GPL-ed KitBeeper clone
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 09:50:07 -0800 (PST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0303030948310.29949-100000@dlang.diginsite.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200303031508.h23F8FEI000787@81-2-122-30.bradfords.org.uk>

the big reason for haveing it be compatable with existing systems is so
that if people move to it and decide they don't like it they can move away
from it again.

you may like to think that your program is so good that people will never
want to move away, but if it isn't an option then people will be very slow
to adopt it as the risk to their source history just went up a few
notches.

David Lang


 On Mon, 3 Mar 2003, John Bradford wrote:

> Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 15:08:15 +0000 (GMT)
> From: John Bradford <john@grabjohn.com>
> To: root@chaos.analogic.com
> Cc: alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk, hch@infradead.org, pavel@janik.cz, pavel@ucw.cz,
>      linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
> Subject: Re: BitBucket: GPL-ed KitBeeper clone
>
> > > > > I haven't seen a single post to the list saying, "If we were designing
> > > > > a version control system dedicated to the Linux kernel, what would you
> > > > > like to see in it?".  Before I started work on my bug database, I
> > > > > spent a week or so discussing it on the list with people.
> > > >
> > > > Larry spent a lot of time talking to people directly about such things.
> > >
> > > I meant in relation to Bit Bucket.
> > >
> > > If the need for Bit Keeper to make a profit for Bit Mover excludes
> > > Linux developers from using it, the most logical thing to do in my
> > > opinion is to start from scratch and write a version control system
> > > dedicated to furthering Linux kernel development.
> > >
> > > Compatibility with Bit Keeper should not be a goal of that project.
> >                                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > Hmmm. Compatibility with existing things is always one of the
> > considerations of any new product (or project).
>
> I did consider it, I just don't think it's a good idea.
>
> > If compatibility can be achieved without a significant trade-off in
> > performance, then it should become one of the goals.
>
> Agreed, but in a project to develop the best possible version control
> system for the Linux kernel [1], I don't see how compatibility with
> any other version control system is of any interest at all.
>
> It's only if you want to use several version control systems in
> parallel that it might be an issue, but if a single, free, version
> control system is in use, I don't see why that would be necessary.
>
> Getting the data out of Bit Keeper and in to a different version
> control system is a one-time job, and as far as I am aware there is
> no difficulty getting data out of a Bit Keeper repository, (using Bit
> Keeper itself), in a suitable format.
>
> [1] As distinct from projects to develop the best possible version
> control system in general or to develop a GPLed project to complete
> with Bit Keeper.
>
> John.
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  reply	other threads:[~2003-03-03 22:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 162+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-02-26 20:02 BitBucket: GPL-ed BitKeeper clone Pavel Machek
2003-03-01 15:28 ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-01 16:02   ` Ben Collins
2003-03-01 16:11     ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-01 17:30       ` Alan Cox
2003-03-01 16:40         ` John Bradford
2003-03-01 16:42         ` Ben Collins
2003-03-02 23:40   ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-01 17:01 ` Aaron Lehmann
2003-03-01 17:19   ` Bernd Eckenfels
2003-03-01 18:05 ` BitBucket: GPL-ed KitBeeper clone Pavel Janík
2003-03-01 18:39   ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-03-01 22:43     ` Pavel Janík
2003-03-02  9:11       ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-03-02  9:30         ` John Bradford
2003-03-02  9:32           ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-03-03 12:39           ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-03 14:12           ` Alan Cox
2003-03-03 13:57             ` John Bradford
2003-03-03 14:22               ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-03-03 15:08                 ` John Bradford
2003-03-03 17:50                   ` David Lang [this message]
2003-03-03 19:37                   ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-03 19:49                     ` John Bradford
2003-03-03 14:22               ` Charles Cazabon
2003-03-02  9:57         ` Pavel Janík
2003-03-03  8:05       ` Helge Hafting
2003-03-03  8:28         ` Bernd Eckenfels
2003-03-01 20:58   ` Paul Fulghum
2003-03-02  4:52     ` Mike Galbraith
2003-03-03  0:02   ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-02  5:04 ` BitBucket: GPL-ed BitKeeper clone Ben Collins
2003-03-02  5:10   ` Ben Collins
2003-03-02 23:53     ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-03  0:53       ` Ben Collins
2003-03-02  0:11 BitBucket: GPL-ed KitBeeper clone Adam J. Richter
2003-03-02  0:20 ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-02  0:20 ` David Lang
2003-03-02  0:49 ` Arador
2003-03-02  1:03   ` Jeff Garzik
2003-03-02  2:15   ` Alan Cox
2003-03-02  1:19     ` Jeff Garzik
2003-03-03  0:10       ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-04 16:16         ` David Woodhouse
2003-03-04 16:27           ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-02  1:26 ` Olivier Galibert
2003-03-06 16:18   ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-07 12:12     ` Olivier Galibert
2003-03-07 12:32       ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-07 16:54         ` Olivier Galibert
2003-03-07 17:14           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2003-03-07 19:08           ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-07 19:25             ` Eli Carter
2003-03-07 20:29               ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-07 23:16             ` Linus Torvalds
2003-03-08 22:52               ` Zack Brown
2003-03-09  0:05                 ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-09  1:21                   ` Davide Libenzi
2003-03-09  2:45                   ` Zack Brown
2003-03-09  3:19                     ` Roman Zippel
2003-03-09  3:42                       ` Linus Torvalds
2003-03-09  4:32                         ` Roman Zippel
2003-03-09 13:34                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-03-09 15:35                             ` Roman Zippel
2003-03-09 16:55                               ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-03-09 17:20                                 ` Zack Brown
2003-03-09 17:48                                   ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-03-09 19:58                                   ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-09 21:32                                     ` Zack Brown
2003-03-09 21:54                                       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-03-09 23:28                                         ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-13 20:00                                     ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-09 17:39                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-03-09 17:58                                   ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-03-09 18:20                                   ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-09 23:19                                     ` fs
2003-03-13  0:41                                     ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-13 21:21                                       ` Horst von Brand
2003-03-09 20:01                                   ` Roman Zippel
2003-03-13  0:13                             ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-09 14:49                         ` Olivier Galibert
2003-03-13  0:05                         ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-10  3:41                     ` Horst von Brand
2003-03-10 13:52                       ` Jamie Lokier
2003-03-10 23:03                     ` Daniel Phillips
2003-03-11 18:40                       ` Zack Brown
2003-03-11 18:46                         ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-03-11 19:30                           ` Daniel Phillips
2003-03-11 19:33                             ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-03-11 20:08                               ` Andrew Morton
2003-03-11 20:29                                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-03-12  6:14                             ` Werner Almesberger
2003-03-13  2:48                               ` Daniel Phillips
2003-03-13  3:11                                 ` Werner Almesberger
2003-03-14 12:29                             ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-15 20:53                               ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-03-15 21:26                               ` Daniel Phillips
2003-03-15 21:32                               ` Petr Baudis
2003-03-15 23:39                                 ` Petr Baudis
2003-03-16  0:39                               ` Horst von Brand
2003-04-07 21:22                               ` Petr Baudis
2003-03-12  3:47                         ` Horst von Brand
2003-03-12  4:03                           ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-12  5:22                           ` Zack Brown
2003-03-12  5:44                             ` Horst von Brand
2003-03-12 13:48                               ` Daniel Phillips
2003-03-13  1:03                                 ` Horst von Brand
2003-03-13 16:53                                   ` Daniel Phillips
2003-03-15 15:02                                     ` Horst von Brand
2003-03-15 21:25                                       ` Daniel Phillips
2003-03-12  6:19                             ` Werner Almesberger
2003-03-13  1:31                               ` Horst von Brand
2003-03-12 15:32                             ` Horst von Brand
2003-03-12 16:13                               ` Daniel Phillips
2003-03-12 20:37                                 ` Horst von Brand
2003-03-12 20:54                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-03-13  2:00                                   ` Daniel Phillips
2003-03-15  1:03                                     ` Horst von Brand
2003-03-12 13:22                           ` Daniel Phillips
2003-03-13  0:52                             ` Horst von Brand
2003-03-13 17:00                               ` Daniel Phillips
2003-03-13 21:48                                 ` Zack Brown
2003-03-13 22:04                                   ` Daniel Phillips
2003-03-15 16:21                                 ` Horst von Brand
2003-03-15 21:25                                   ` Daniel Phillips
2003-03-15 21:53                                     ` Robert Anderson
2003-03-15 21:50                                       ` Randy.Dunlap
2003-03-15 22:16                                         ` Robert Anderson
2003-03-15 22:18                                         ` Robert Anderson
2003-03-16  0:18                                       ` Petr Baudis
2003-03-16  0:53                                         ` Davide Libenzi
2003-03-16  5:43                                         ` Robert Anderson
2003-03-14 11:34                         ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-12 23:38                     ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-09  2:06             ` Horst von Brand
     [not found]             ` <b4b98v_14m_1@penguin.transmeta.com>
2003-03-12 23:23               ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-13 21:15                 ` Horst von Brand
2003-03-08  0:18       ` Olaf Dietsche
2003-03-02  1:37 ` Filip Van Raemdonck
2003-03-02  2:23 Adam J. Richter
2003-03-03 15:26 ` Edward S. Marshall
2003-03-03 23:06   ` Daniel Phillips
2003-03-03 17:02 Adam J. Richter
2003-03-12 19:00 Kaz Kylheku
2003-03-13 16:21 Ed Vance
2003-03-15 14:31 ` Horst von Brand
     [not found] <20030309001008$2ed5@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found] ` <20030309001008$4e61@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]   ` <20030309001008$0732@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]     ` <20030309001008$747c@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]       ` <20030309001008$6342@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-03-15 10:47         ` Kai Henningsen
     [not found] <1047571030.5373.161.camel@passion.cambridge.redhat.com>
2003-03-15 14:17 ` Horst von Brand
2003-03-15 18:48   ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-15 18:51   ` David Woodhouse
2003-04-07 23:57 Chuck Ebbert
2003-04-08  0:30 ` Larry McVoy
2003-04-08 13:06 Chuck Ebbert
2003-04-08 17:52 Chuck Ebbert
2003-04-08 18:02 ` Larry McVoy
2003-04-08 23:19   ` Jamie Lokier
2003-04-09  0:47     ` Larry McVoy
2003-04-09  1:34       ` Jamie Lokier
2003-04-09  1:43       ` Robert White
2003-04-09  2:09     ` Mark Mielke
2003-04-09 13:14       ` Mr. James W. Laferriere
2003-04-09 13:35         ` Matti Aarnio

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