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From: "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>
To: Val Henson <val@nmt.edu>
Cc: David Wagner <daw@mozart.cs.berkeley.edu>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH] Make cryptoapi non-optional?
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 18:34:02 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20030815223402.GB4306@think> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20030815001713.GD5333@speare5-1-14>

On Thu, Aug 14, 2003 at 06:17:13PM -0600, Val Henson wrote:
> There is no way in which folding is better than
> halving, and folding is demonstrably worse if SHA-1's output is
> correlated across the two halves in any way (which is almost certainly
> true).

If there any kind of correlation between any two individual bits, such
that XOR'ing them together resulted in a pattern which was not
statistically random, it would be a significant weakness in the SHA
algorithm.

Consider that a requirement of a secure cryptographic hash is one
where for any (x,y) pair where y=H(x), finding another x' where
y=H(x') is no easier than brute force search.  If two bits in the
output of the hash have any kind of statistically detectable
correlation, then it effectively reduces the size of the output space
of the hash, and so it would take less effort than a brute force
search of (on average) 2**80 random inputs before finding a hash
collision.

							- Ted

  parent reply	other threads:[~2003-08-15 22:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 120+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-08-09  7:44 [RFC][PATCH] Make cryptoapi non-optional? Matt Mackall
2003-08-09  8:04 ` David S. Miller
2003-08-09 14:05   ` Matt Mackall
2003-08-09 17:39     ` David S. Miller
2003-08-09 19:46       ` Matt Mackall
2003-08-09 20:17         ` David S. Miller
2003-08-10  8:15           ` Matt Mackall
2003-08-10  8:32             ` virt_to_offset() (Re: [RFC][PATCH] Make cryptoapi non-optional?) YOSHIFUJI Hideaki / 吉藤英明
2003-08-10  8:30               ` David S. Miller
2003-08-10  9:02                 ` virt_to_offset() YOSHIFUJI Hideaki / 吉藤英明
2003-08-11 18:21                   ` virt_to_offset() David Mosberger
2003-08-12  2:46                     ` virt_to_offset() David S. Miller
2003-08-10  9:05                 ` virt_to_offset() (Re: [RFC][PATCH] Make cryptoapi non-optional?) Matt Mackall
2003-08-10  9:04                   ` David S. Miller
2003-08-10 11:00                     ` [PATCH 1/9] introduce virt_to_pagoff() YOSHIFUJI Hideaki / 吉藤英明
2003-08-10 11:00                     ` [PATCH 2/9] convert crypto to virt_to_pageoff() YOSHIFUJI Hideaki / 吉藤英明
2003-08-10 11:05                     ` [PATCH 3/9] convert net " YOSHIFUJI Hideaki / 吉藤英明
2003-08-10 11:07                     ` [PATCH 4/9] convert drivers/block " YOSHIFUJI Hideaki / 吉藤英明
2003-08-10 11:09                     ` [PATCH 5/9] convert drivers/ide " YOSHIFUJI Hideaki / 吉藤英明
2003-08-10 11:10                     ` [PATCH 6/9] convert drivers/net " YOSHIFUJI Hideaki / 吉藤英明
2003-08-10 11:10                     ` [PATCH 7/9] convert drivers/scsi " YOSHIFUJI Hideaki / 吉藤英明
2003-08-10 11:31                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-08-10 11:51                         ` David S. Miller
2003-08-10 12:03                           ` YOSHIFUJI Hideaki / 吉藤英明
2003-08-10 14:54                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-08-10 14:51                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-08-10 13:54                         ` Russell King
2003-08-10 13:55                         ` Russell King
2003-08-10 14:55                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-08-11  5:21                           ` David S. Miller
2003-08-10 11:10                     ` [PATCH 8/9] convert drivers/usb " YOSHIFUJI Hideaki / 吉藤英明
2003-08-10 11:10                     ` [PATCH 9/9] convert fs/jbd " YOSHIFUJI Hideaki / 吉藤英明
2003-08-11  2:15             ` [RFC][PATCH] Make cryptoapi non-optional? Jamie Lokier
2003-08-11  2:38               ` Matt Mackall
2003-08-11  4:54               ` David S. Miller
2003-08-11  5:17                 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-08-13  5:01                 ` [Numbers][PATCH] " Matt Mackall
2003-08-10 14:46           ` [RFC][PATCH] " James Morris
2003-08-09 14:33 ` Matt Mackall
2003-08-09 17:13   ` Jamie Lokier
2003-08-09 17:33     ` Matt Mackall
2003-08-10 13:18       ` James Morris
2003-08-10 17:45         ` Matt Mackall
2003-08-11  2:09           ` Jamie Lokier
2003-08-11  2:35             ` Matt Mackall
2003-08-11  4:59               ` Jamie Lokier
2003-08-11  5:04                 ` Matt Mackall
2003-08-11  5:20                   ` Jamie Lokier
2003-08-11  5:54                     ` Matt Mackall
2003-08-11  6:24                       ` Jamie Lokier
2003-08-11  4:58             ` David Wagner
2003-08-11  5:36               ` Jamie Lokier
2003-08-11 19:21                 ` David Wagner
2003-08-13 19:37                   ` Jamie Lokier
2003-08-13  3:52             ` Theodore Ts'o
2003-08-13 15:44               ` i810_rng.o on various Dell models Jim Carter
2003-08-13 16:15                 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-08-13 18:43                   ` Jamie Lokier
2003-08-13 18:36               ` [RFC][PATCH] Make cryptoapi non-optional? Jamie Lokier
2003-08-15  0:16                 ` Network Card Entropy? was: " Mike Fedyk
2003-08-15  0:22                   ` Robert Love
2003-08-13  3:20           ` Theodore Ts'o
2003-08-13  4:06             ` Matt Mackall
2003-08-14 16:53               ` Val Henson
2003-08-14 19:40                 ` David Wagner
2003-08-14 20:07                   ` Chris Friesen
2003-08-14 21:36                   ` Jamie Lokier
2003-08-15  0:25                     ` Val Henson
2003-08-15 11:47                       ` Jamie Lokier
2003-08-15  0:17                   ` Val Henson
2003-08-15  1:45                     ` David Wagner
2003-08-15  2:21                       ` Matt Mackall
2003-08-15  7:30                     ` Andries Brouwer
2003-08-15  7:40                       ` David S. Miller
2003-08-15  7:55                         ` Andries Brouwer
2003-08-15  8:06                           ` Måns Rullgård
2003-08-15  8:11                             ` Nick Piggin
2003-08-15 15:11                             ` Matt Mackall
2003-08-15 22:16                               ` Jamie Lokier
2003-08-15 20:22                           ` Val Henson
2003-08-16  6:27                             ` David Wagner
2003-08-18  4:25                               ` Val Henson
2003-08-15  8:09                         ` Nick Piggin
2003-08-15 15:03                       ` Matt Mackall
2003-08-15 17:04                         ` Andries Brouwer
2003-08-15 22:05                           ` Jamie Lokier
2003-08-15 22:02                         ` Jamie Lokier
2003-08-15 12:48                     ` Jamie Lokier
2003-08-15 22:34                     ` Theodore Ts'o [this message]
2003-08-15 22:12               ` Theodore Ts'o
2003-08-15 23:35                 ` James Morris
2003-08-16 15:51                   ` Matt Mackall
2003-08-17 14:37                     ` James Morris
2003-08-17 15:30                       ` Matt Mackall
2003-08-15 23:55                 ` Matt Mackall
2003-08-16  0:05                   ` Andrew Morton
2003-08-16  0:58                     ` Jamie Lokier
2003-08-16  4:57                       ` Matt Mackall
2003-08-16  4:38                     ` Matt Mackall
2003-08-16  5:03                       ` Andrew Morton
2003-08-16  5:39                         ` Matt Mackall
2003-08-18  6:43                       ` Andreas Dilger
2003-08-18  6:55                         ` David Lang
2003-08-18 11:59                           ` Jamie Lokier
2003-08-18 12:11                             ` Måns Rullgård
2003-08-18 13:33                               ` Jamie Lokier
2003-08-18 17:03                             ` David Lang
2003-08-18 17:51                               ` Jamie Lokier
2003-08-22  4:28                           ` David Wagner
2003-08-25  4:29                             ` Jamie Lokier
2003-08-18 15:20                         ` Matt Mackall
2003-08-18  3:23                   ` Theodore Ts'o
2003-08-18 15:46                     ` Matt Mackall
2003-08-10  2:07   ` Robert Love
2003-08-10  3:14     ` Matt Mackall
2003-08-10  3:49       ` David S. Miller
2003-08-10  4:01         ` Robert Love
2003-08-10  4:07           ` Robert Love
2003-08-16 20:40 Adam J. Richter
2003-08-17  4:28 ` Matt Mackall

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