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From: James Clark <jimwclark@ntlworld.com>
To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Cc: Patrick Mochel <mochel@osdl.org>
Subject: Re: Driver Model
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 22:44:55 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200309022244.55500.jimwclark@ntlworld.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0309021420570.5614-100000@cherise>

Before I posted my original question I read Patrick's very helpful overview of 
the Driver Model (www.amc.com.au/lca/loopback/papers/ 
Patrick_Mochel/Patrick_Mochel.pdf). 

The reason I posed the question, as a newcomer to kernel development, moving 
from WIN32 DDK development (sorry!) to Linux is that I was very surprised by 
the module interface. 

Would a more rigid 'plugin' interface and the concequent move from mainly 
'source' modules to binary 'plugins' (still with source-code available for 
all to see) mean that (a) Kernel was smaller (2) Had to be 
released/recompiled less (4) Was EVEN more stable and (4) 'plugins' were more 
portable across releases and easier to install ?

I love Linux but this seems to be holding it back...

James



On Tuesday 02 Sep 2003 10:29 pm, Patrick Mochel wrote:
> > 1. Will the move to a more uniform driver model in 2.6 increase the
> > chances of a given binary driver working with a 2.6+ kernel.
>
> Not necessarily. A binary driver still needs to be compiled for a specific
> version of a kernel. And, if it's not already working, the new driver
> model definitely won't help. :)
>
> > 2. Will the new model reduce the use/need for kernel modules. Would this
> > be a good thing if functionality could be implemented in a driver instead
> > of a module.
>
> No, it will not reduce usage of modules. The driver model has nothing to
> do with whether something is compiled as a module or not.
>
> > 3. Will the practice of deliberately breaking some binary only 'tainted'
> > modules prevent take up of Linux. Isn't this taking things too far?
>
> This is a loaded question, but ultimately it's a vendor issue. Most people
> do and will use vendor kernels. What they do with their kernel interfaces
> and how well they support binary modules is their beef.
>
>
> 	Pat


  reply	other threads:[~2003-09-02 21:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-09-02 18:43 Driver Model James Clark
2003-09-02 19:13 ` Robert Love
2003-09-02 20:44 ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-09-03 14:36   ` Stuart MacDonald
2003-09-03 14:52     ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2003-09-03 14:57     ` Alan Cox
2003-09-03 15:13       ` Stuart MacDonald
2003-09-03 15:33         ` Mariusz Zielinski
2003-09-03 15:50           ` Stuart MacDonald
2003-09-03 16:02             ` Mariusz Zielinski
2003-09-03 17:58               ` Stuart MacDonald
2003-09-03 16:58             ` Alan Cox
2003-09-03 18:21               ` Jeff Garzik
2003-09-03 15:50           ` Mariusz Zielinski
2003-09-03 22:41       ` David Schwartz
2003-09-04 11:03         ` Alan Cox
2003-09-03 15:22     ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-09-02 21:29 ` Patrick Mochel
2003-09-02 21:44   ` James Clark [this message]
2003-09-02 22:05     ` Greg KH
2003-09-02 22:08     ` Robert Love
2003-09-02 22:39     ` Jamie Lokier
2003-09-02 23:52 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-09-03  0:20   ` David Schwartz
2003-09-03 17:38     ` Andre Hedrick
2003-09-03 18:19       ` Alan Cox
2003-09-03 18:15         ` Andre Hedrick
2003-09-04 12:40       ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2003-09-03 13:10 ` Alan Cox
     [not found] <rtHg.3n0.9@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found] ` <rK5y.1xN.25@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-09-03 18:42   ` Pascal Schmidt
2003-09-03 19:49     ` Andre Hedrick
2003-09-03 22:41     ` David Schwartz
2003-09-03 23:11       ` Pascal Schmidt
2003-09-03 23:33         ` David Schwartz
2003-09-04  1:38           ` Pascal Schmidt
2003-09-04  3:01             ` David Schwartz
2003-09-04 14:21               ` Pascal Schmidt
2003-09-04  1:37         ` Andre Hedrick

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