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From: Andreas Dilger <adilger@clusterfs.com>
To: Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu
Cc: Daniel Gryniewicz <dang@fprintf.net>,
	linux-kernel mailing list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: OT: why no file copy() libc/syscall ??
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 23:00:55 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20031110230055.S10197@schatzie.adilger.int> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200311110414.hAB4EZA8007309@turing-police.cc.vt.edu>; from Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu on Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 11:14:35PM -0500

On Nov 10, 2003  23:14 -0500, Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 23:03:26 EST, Daniel Gryniewicz said:
> > Plus a sys_copy() syscall could be used as a generic way for filesystems
> > to set up Copy-on-Write.  Right now, you'd need to have userspace call
> > sys-reiser4 or something like that.
> 
> This is fast turning into a creeping horror of aggregation.  I defy anybody
> to create an API to cover all the options mentioned so far and *not* have it
> look like the process_clone horror we so roundly derided a few weeks ago.

	int sys_copy(int fd_src, int fd_dst)

It is up to the filesystem to decide if both files are on the same device
and can be copied with a copy RPC (or whatever).  If the filesystem returns
-EOPNOTSUPP then the VFS goes into a simple readpages/writepages loop to do
the copy instead, maybe also copying ACLs or other things the VFS understands.

All of the "extra functionality" is being handled in the filesystem itself
and not the VFS or the API.  Copy-on-write is an fs-internal issue depending
on whether fs supports it, how it was mounted, etc.  Remote copy is also an
fs-internal issue depending on whether inodes are in same filesystem, support,
etc.  You might get into fun things like doing zero-copy.

Telling the filesystem we are doing a copy vs. a bunch of reads mixed
with a bunch of writes is just semantically something that the filesystem
should know about.

Cheers, Andreas
--
Andreas Dilger
http://sourceforge.net/projects/ext2resize/
http://www-mddsp.enel.ucalgary.ca/People/adilger/


  reply	other threads:[~2003-11-11  6:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-11-11  1:05 OT: why no file copy() libc/syscall ?? Albert Cahalan
2003-11-11  3:50 ` Andreas Dilger
2003-11-11  4:03   ` Daniel Gryniewicz
2003-11-11  4:14     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-11-11  6:00       ` Andreas Dilger [this message]
2003-11-11  8:58         ` Florian Weimer
2003-11-11 10:27           ` jw schultz
2003-11-11 20:08             ` Jan Harkes
2003-11-12 15:36           ` Jesse Pollard
2003-11-20 17:21             ` Florian Weimer
2003-11-20 19:08               ` Jesse Pollard
2003-11-20 19:12                 ` Florian Weimer
2003-11-20 19:44                 ` Justin Cormack
2003-11-20 20:44                   ` Timothy Miller
2003-11-20 21:07                     ` Andreas Dilger
2003-11-20 21:30                       ` Timothy Miller
2003-11-20 21:49                         ` Maciej Zenczykowski
2003-11-20 21:52                           ` Timothy Miller
2003-11-20 21:58                         ` Hua Zhong
2003-11-22 14:50                         ` Pavel Machek
2003-11-22 19:50                           ` Jamie Lokier
2003-11-22 23:07                             ` Andreas Schwab
2003-11-21 16:24                   ` Jesse Pollard
2003-11-20 21:48                 ` Maciej Zenczykowski
2003-11-21 16:34                   ` Jesse Pollard
2003-11-20 22:31                 ` Xavier Bestel
2003-11-20 22:44                   ` Andreas Dilger
2003-11-27  2:40                 ` Robert White
2003-11-27  7:29                   ` Nick Piggin
2003-11-27  9:15                     ` David Lang
2003-11-27  8:56                       ` Nick Piggin
2003-11-27  9:50                         ` David Lang
2003-11-27 10:02                           ` Jörn Engel
2003-11-27 10:58                             ` David Lang
2003-12-01 16:20                               ` Jesse Pollard
2003-11-11  8:52   ` Gábor Lénárt
2003-11-11 13:38 ` Rogier Wolff
2003-11-11 13:53   ` Jakub Jelinek
2003-11-11 13:58     ` David Woodhouse
2003-11-13 20:22     ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-11-13 23:39       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-11-14  0:04         ` jw schultz
2003-11-14  0:36         ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-11-14  1:10           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-11-14  1:15             ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-11-11 14:11   ` Albert Cahalan
2003-11-12 15:19 ` Jesse Pollard
2003-11-14  3:42   ` Albert Cahalan
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2003-11-14 15:26               ` Andi Kleen
2003-11-18 15:49                 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-11-18 16:05                   ` Andi Kleen
2003-11-18 16:25                     ` Trond Myklebust
2003-11-19 13:30                   ` Jesse Pollard
2003-11-18 16:58                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-11-19  2:12                 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-11-19  4:04                 ` Chris Adams
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2003-11-11  9:51           ` Ihar 'Philips' Filipau
2003-11-11 10:41             ` jw schultz
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2003-11-11 14:11   ` Ihar 'Philips' Filipau
2003-11-11 15:02     ` Rogier Wolff
2003-11-11 15:31       ` Ihar 'Philips' Filipau
2003-11-11 20:22       ` Jan Harkes
2003-11-11 20:31         ` Valdis.Kletnieks
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2003-11-11 12:43               ` Ihar 'Philips' Filipau
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2003-11-10 12:09 Bradley Chapman
2003-11-10 18:47 ` Tomas Konir
2003-11-10 22:44 ` Derek Foreman
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2003-11-10 12:08 ` Ihar 'Philips' Filipau
2003-11-10 13:29   ` Jesse Pollard
2003-11-10 14:22     ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2003-11-11 20:57       ` Jakob Oestergaard
2003-11-10 15:19     ` David Woodhouse
2003-11-10 16:15       ` Jesse Pollard
2003-11-11 12:00     ` davide.rossetti
2003-11-11 12:08       ` Andreas Schwab
2003-11-11 12:23         ` davide.rossetti
2003-11-10 11:33 Davide Rossetti

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