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From: Jan Harkes <jaharkes@cs.cmu.edu>
To: Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: OT: why no file copy() libc/syscall ??
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:22:09 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20031111202209.GB23283@delft.aura.cs.cmu.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20031111150256.GA13283@bitwizard.nl>

On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 04:02:56PM +0100, Rogier Wolff wrote:
> Fine. For compatibilty we'll leave "sendfile" in place. But if somehow
> someone builds a filesystem which cannot use the pagecache, then
> "sendfile" will fail. Or if somehow we manage to get the socket hooked
...
> (*) Suppose I manage to stop and restart an application. The "restart"
> program might need to "sit between" the original application and its
> filedescriptors. So now, what used to be a socket suddenly becomes a
> pipe. It'd be nice if things would continue to work. Everything is a
> file remember?

man sendfile(2)

NOTES
    ...
    Applications may wish to fall back to read/write in the case
    where sendfile() fails with EINVAL or ENOSYS.

So we get something in a userspace library (libc?) that does
copyfile(whatever, whereever) and uses a few kernel primitives like
open/close/sendfile and the appropriate fallback code to a read/write
loop whenever the sendfile doesn't work.

It works now, and it will work better when sendfile becomes more
versatile, and the sky is the limit once the underlying filesystem can
provide it's own optimized implementation for instance when both fd's
refer to objects within the same (remote) filesystem.

Similarily, we might at some point be able to optimize sendfile between
two sockets by pushing the connection off to a router somewhere in the
network completely bypassing the local NIC.

Jan


  parent reply	other threads:[~2003-11-11 20:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2003-11-11  9:51           ` OT: why no file copy() libc/syscall ?? Ihar 'Philips' Filipau
2003-11-11 10:41             ` jw schultz
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2003-11-11 14:11   ` Ihar 'Philips' Filipau
2003-11-11 15:02     ` Rogier Wolff
2003-11-11 15:31       ` Ihar 'Philips' Filipau
2003-11-11 20:22       ` Jan Harkes [this message]
2003-11-11 20:31         ` Valdis.Kletnieks
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2003-11-14 15:26               ` Andi Kleen
2003-11-18 15:49                 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-11-18 16:05                   ` Andi Kleen
2003-11-18 16:25                     ` Trond Myklebust
2003-11-19 13:30                   ` Jesse Pollard
2003-11-18 16:58                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-11-19  2:12                 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-11-19  4:04                 ` Chris Adams
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2003-11-11 12:43               ` Ihar 'Philips' Filipau
2003-11-11  1:05 Albert Cahalan
2003-11-11  3:50 ` Andreas Dilger
2003-11-11  4:03   ` Daniel Gryniewicz
2003-11-11  4:14     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-11-11  6:00       ` Andreas Dilger
2003-11-11  8:58         ` Florian Weimer
2003-11-11 10:27           ` jw schultz
2003-11-11 20:08             ` Jan Harkes
2003-11-12 15:36           ` Jesse Pollard
2003-11-20 17:21             ` Florian Weimer
2003-11-20 19:08               ` Jesse Pollard
2003-11-20 19:12                 ` Florian Weimer
2003-11-20 19:44                 ` Justin Cormack
2003-11-20 20:44                   ` Timothy Miller
2003-11-20 21:07                     ` Andreas Dilger
2003-11-20 21:30                       ` Timothy Miller
2003-11-20 21:49                         ` Maciej Zenczykowski
2003-11-20 21:52                           ` Timothy Miller
2003-11-20 21:58                         ` Hua Zhong
2003-11-22 14:50                         ` Pavel Machek
2003-11-22 19:50                           ` Jamie Lokier
2003-11-22 23:07                             ` Andreas Schwab
2003-11-21 16:24                   ` Jesse Pollard
2003-11-20 21:48                 ` Maciej Zenczykowski
2003-11-21 16:34                   ` Jesse Pollard
2003-11-20 22:31                 ` Xavier Bestel
2003-11-20 22:44                   ` Andreas Dilger
2003-11-27  2:40                 ` Robert White
2003-11-27  7:29                   ` Nick Piggin
2003-11-27  9:15                     ` David Lang
2003-11-27  8:56                       ` Nick Piggin
2003-11-27  9:50                         ` David Lang
2003-11-27 10:02                           ` Jörn Engel
2003-11-27 10:58                             ` David Lang
2003-12-01 16:20                               ` Jesse Pollard
2003-11-11  8:52   ` Gábor Lénárt
2003-11-11 13:38 ` Rogier Wolff
2003-11-11 13:53   ` Jakub Jelinek
2003-11-11 13:58     ` David Woodhouse
2003-11-13 20:22     ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-11-13 23:39       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-11-14  0:04         ` jw schultz
2003-11-14  0:36         ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-11-14  1:10           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-11-14  1:15             ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-11-11 14:11   ` Albert Cahalan
2003-11-12 15:19 ` Jesse Pollard
2003-11-14  3:42   ` Albert Cahalan
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2003-11-10 12:09 Bradley Chapman
2003-11-10 18:47 ` Tomas Konir
2003-11-10 22:44 ` Derek Foreman
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2003-11-10 12:08 ` Ihar 'Philips' Filipau
2003-11-10 13:29   ` Jesse Pollard
2003-11-10 14:22     ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2003-11-11 20:57       ` Jakob Oestergaard
2003-11-10 15:19     ` David Woodhouse
2003-11-10 16:15       ` Jesse Pollard
2003-11-11 12:00     ` davide.rossetti
2003-11-11 12:08       ` Andreas Schwab
2003-11-11 12:23         ` davide.rossetti
2003-11-10 11:33 Davide Rossetti

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