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From: Kelledin <kelledin@users.sourceforge.net>
To: "Jeff V. Merkey" <jmerkey@drdos.com>
Cc: "Linus Torvalds" <torvalds@osdl.org>,
	"Kernel Mailing List" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Linux v2.6.9 and GPL Buyout
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 18:59:34 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200410211859.35011.kelledin@users.sourceforge.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <41757478.4090402@drdos.com>

[I now pronounce the following benediction: IANAL.  $DEITY, give 
me the strength to show reasoned restraint.]

On Tuesday 19 October 2004 03:09 pm, you wrote:
> No.  They seem to have some factual concrete evidence IP
> covered under Employee
> agreements was used and subsequently converted into Linux, and
> they are very
> confident of this.  From a cursory viewpoint, it looks valid. 
> I think they have a case
> (having been sued and nailed for the same type of thing by
> Novell).

So very certain you are...

...but in any case, that doesn't mean much to me.

I think it's perfectly reasonable for me to believe what SCO 
admits in court, rather than what SCO might have fooled you into 
believing (after all of a cursory inspection) or persuaded you 
to lie about.  And what SCO is lately forced to admit in court 
is that it has no evidence of copyright infringement in Linux.  
After over a year of claiming to have "mountains" of this 
evidence and after multiple court orders to disclose this 
evidence, the best SCO can cough up doesn't pass muster.  SCO's 
"smoking gun" samples were either nonprotectable or were cobbled 
together in a half-assed attempt at evidence doctoring.

Not to mention which, "non-literal coypright infringement" is an 
oxymoron in almost all federal circuits, so don't even go down 
that road.

[If this sounds to you like an ad-hominem attack, well...tough 
shit in advance, I'm just being realistic.  Grow some thicker 
skin.]

> Dump the FS's and NUMA guys.  Then you are nearly there for
> being squeaky clean.

So far I've seen no plausible evidence that we aren't already 
there.  The bare word of a company/CEO that's already been 
caught stretching the truth counts for pretty much nothing.

--
Kelledin
"If a server crashes in a server farm and no one pings it, does 
it still cost four figures to fix?"

  parent reply	other threads:[~2004-10-22  0:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 257+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-10-18 22:45 Linux v2.6.9 Linus Torvalds
2004-10-18 23:27 ` Thomas Zehetbauer
2004-10-19  2:54 ` Eric W. Biederman
2004-10-19 16:55   ` Jesper Juhl
2004-10-19 14:36 ` Linux v2.6.9... (compile stats) John Cherry
2004-10-19 16:18   ` Matthew Dharm
2004-10-19 16:49     ` viro
2004-10-19 21:37     ` John Cherry
2004-10-20 22:11     ` John Cherry
2004-10-20 22:41       ` viro
2004-10-21  0:12         ` Linus Torvalds
2004-10-21  0:29           ` Jeff Garzik
2004-10-21  0:44             ` viro
2004-10-21  1:55             ` viro
2004-10-21  1:59               ` Jeff Garzik
2004-10-21  2:24                 ` viro
2004-10-21  2:37                   ` Jeff Garzik
2004-10-21  4:35                     ` viro
2004-10-21  8:57                       ` Jeff Garzik
2004-10-20 22:50       ` Dave Jones
2004-10-19 17:38 ` Linux v2.6.9 and GPL Buyout Jeff V. Merkey
2004-10-19 19:13   ` Russell King
2004-10-19 19:04     ` Jeff V. Merkey
2004-10-19 19:24   ` Kurt Wall
2004-10-19 19:12     ` Jeff V. Merkey
2004-10-19 20:01     ` Richard B. Johnson
2004-10-19 20:39       ` Matt Mackall
2004-10-20  0:06         ` Richard B. Johnson
2004-10-20  5:21           ` Matt Mackall
2004-10-19 19:28   ` Andre Hedrick
2004-10-19 19:10     ` Jeff V. Merkey
2004-10-19 19:30   ` Rik van Riel
2004-10-19 19:05     ` Jeff V. Merkey
2004-10-19 20:14       ` Diego Calleja
2004-10-19 19:41         ` Jeff V. Merkey
2004-10-20  8:27           ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2004-10-20  8:45             ` Jens Axboe
2004-10-19 19:47         ` Jeff V. Merkey
2004-10-19 20:05     ` Richard B. Johnson
2004-10-19 19:38       ` Jeff V. Merkey
2004-10-19 20:30         ` Thomas Gleixner
2004-10-19 20:15           ` Jeff V. Merkey
2004-10-22 23:22           ` Tonnerre
2004-10-19 19:45   ` Ross Biro
2004-10-19 19:36     ` Jeff V. Merkey
2004-10-19 19:54   ` David Johnson
2004-10-19 19:55   ` viro
2004-10-19 19:25     ` Jeff V. Merkey
2004-10-19 20:38   ` Dax Kelson
2004-10-19 20:09     ` Jeff V. Merkey
2004-10-19 22:16       ` Jim Nelson
2004-10-19 22:57         ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2004-10-19 22:27       ` Scott Robert Ladd
2004-10-20 19:41         ` Bill Davidsen
2004-10-20  1:15       ` Horst von Brand
2004-10-20  1:16       ` Bastiaan Spandaw
2004-10-20 19:35         ` Bill Davidsen
2004-10-20  3:45       ` Ryan Anderson
2004-10-20  4:18         ` Lee Revell
2004-10-20  4:41           ` Lee Revell
2004-10-20 11:49             ` Richard B. Johnson
2004-10-29 12:12               ` Semaphore assembly-code bug linux-os
2004-10-29 14:46                 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-10-29 15:11                   ` Andi Kleen
2004-10-29 18:18                     ` Linus Torvalds
2004-10-29 18:35                       ` Richard Henderson
2004-10-29 16:06                   ` Andreas Steinmetz
2004-10-29 17:08                     ` linux-os
2004-10-29 18:06                       ` Linus Torvalds
2004-10-29 18:39                         ` linux-os
2004-10-29 19:12                           ` Linus Torvalds
2004-11-01  1:31                             ` linux-os
2004-11-01  5:49                               ` Linus Torvalds
2004-11-01 20:23                               ` dean gaudet
2004-11-01 20:52                                 ` linux-os
2004-11-01 21:23                                   ` dean gaudet
2004-11-01 22:22                                     ` linux-os
2004-11-01 21:40                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2004-11-01 21:46                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2004-11-02 15:02                                       ` linux-os
2004-11-02 16:02                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2004-11-02 16:06                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2004-11-02 16:51                                             ` linux-os
2004-11-01 22:16                                     ` linux-os
2004-11-01 22:26                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2004-11-01 23:14                                         ` linux-os
2004-11-01 23:42                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2004-11-03  1:52                                       ` Horst von Brand
2004-11-03 21:24                                       ` Bill Davidsen
2004-11-02  6:37                                     ` Chris Friesen
2004-10-29 18:58                         ` Andreas Steinmetz
2004-10-29 19:15                           ` Linus Torvalds
2004-10-29 19:40                             ` Andreas Steinmetz
2004-10-29 19:56                               ` Linus Torvalds
2004-10-29 22:07                                 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-10-29 23:50                               ` dean gaudet
2004-10-30  0:15                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-10-29 23:37                         ` dean gaudet
2004-10-29 17:22                   ` linux-os
2004-10-29 17:55                     ` Richard Henderson
2004-10-29 18:17                       ` linux-os
2004-10-29 18:42                         ` Linus Torvalds
2004-10-29 18:54                           ` Linus Torvalds
2004-10-30  3:35                           ` Jeff Garzik
2004-10-29 19:20                     ` Linus Torvalds
2004-10-29 19:26                       ` Linus Torvalds
2004-10-29 21:03                       ` Linus Torvalds
2004-10-29 17:57                   ` Richard Henderson
2004-10-29 18:37                   ` Gabriel Paubert
2004-10-20  5:58           ` Linux v2.6.9 and GPL Buyout John Alvord
2004-10-20 14:42           ` Martin Waitz
2004-10-21 23:59       ` Kelledin [this message]
2004-10-22  8:46       ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2004-10-22  9:07       ` David Weinehall
2004-10-22 16:15         ` Jeff V. Merkey
2004-10-22 17:52           ` Al Viro
2004-10-22 17:22             ` Jeff V. Merkey
2004-10-22 19:37               ` Jeff V. Merkey
2004-10-22 20:46                 ` Grahame White
2004-10-22 20:58                 ` Buddy Lucas
2004-10-22 21:00                 ` Richard B. Johnson
2004-10-22 21:03                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2004-10-23 12:33                 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2004-10-24 14:15                 ` Kai Henningsen
2004-10-27  1:45                 ` Horst von Brand
2004-10-24 11:00           ` Matthias Andree
2004-10-24 14:13           ` Kai Henningsen
2004-10-25 18:44             ` Bill Davidsen
2004-10-20 19:46     ` Bill Davidsen
2004-10-19 21:02   ` Pekka Pietikainen
2004-10-19 20:27     ` Jeff V. Merkey
2004-10-22  6:54       ` Erik Andersen
2004-10-22 16:12         ` Jeff V. Merkey
2004-10-19 21:17     ` Paul Fulghum
2004-10-20 20:41     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-10-23 13:43       ` James Bruce
2004-10-19 21:26   ` Ramón Rey Vicente
2004-10-19 22:52   ` Buddy Lucas
2004-10-20 23:43   ` Eric Bambach
2004-10-20 23:48     ` Eric Bambach
2004-10-20 23:59     ` Hua Zhong
2004-10-21  0:13     ` Russell Miller
2004-10-21  0:18       ` Adam Heath
2004-10-21 10:16       ` Horst von Brand
2004-10-22  8:48   ` Ingo Molnar
2004-10-22 16:15     ` Jeff V. Merkey
2004-10-23  0:14   ` Jon Masters
2004-10-22 23:46     ` Jeff V. Merkey
2004-10-23  0:57       ` Jon Masters
2004-10-23  4:42         ` Jeff V. Merkey
2004-10-23  6:32           ` Nick Piggin
     [not found]             ` <20041023064538.GA7866@galt.devicelogics.com>
2004-10-23  7:20               ` Jeff V. Merkey
2004-10-23 10:11           ` Gene Heskett
2004-10-23 16:28           ` Linus Torvalds
2004-10-24  2:48             ` Jesper Juhl
2004-10-24  5:11             ` Jeff V. Merkey
2004-10-24 11:14               ` Jon Masters
2004-10-24 11:50               ` Jim Nelson
2004-10-24 15:35               ` Ingo Molnar
2004-10-24 15:53               ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2004-10-31 23:14               ` Jan 'JaSan' Sarenik
2004-10-24  2:11           ` Buddy Lucas
2004-10-23  0:38     ` Lee Revell
2004-10-23  0:07       ` Jeff V. Merkey
2004-10-23  1:06         ` Lee Revell
2004-10-21  2:41 ` Linux v2.6.9 (Strange tty problem?) Paul
2004-10-21  9:07   ` Alan Cox
2004-10-21 12:39     ` Russell King
2004-10-21 13:20     ` Paul Fulghum
2004-10-21 15:37       ` Alan Cox
2004-10-21 17:00         ` Paul Fulghum
2004-10-21 15:47       ` Paul Fulghum
2004-10-21 18:12     ` Paul Fulghum
2004-10-31 21:11 ` Linux v2.6.9 dies when starting X on radeon 9200 SE PCI Helge Hafting
2004-10-22 19:38 Linux v2.6.9 and GPL Buyout Jeff V. Merkey
2004-10-22 21:31 brian wheeler
2004-10-22 21:27 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2004-10-22 23:03   ` Jon Masters
2004-10-22 22:58     ` Jeff V. Merkey
2004-10-22 23:27       ` Jeff V. Merkey
2004-10-23 13:30         ` Denis Vlasenko
2004-10-24 11:10         ` Matthias Andree
2004-10-23  0:24       ` David Schwartz
2004-10-23  0:48         ` Jon Masters
2004-10-23  0:30       ` Jon Masters
2004-10-23  0:02         ` Jeff V. Merkey
2004-10-23  1:18           ` Diego Calleja
2004-10-23  8:43       ` Thomas Gleixner
2004-10-23 16:13         ` Giuseppe Bilotta
2004-10-23 12:59   ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2004-10-24 11:04   ` Matthias Andree
2004-10-24  8:45 Shawn Starr
2004-10-24 19:38 Xose Vazquez Perez
2004-11-04 16:01 Linux-2.6.9 won't allow a write to a NTFS file-system linux-os
2004-11-04 16:48 ` Giuseppe Bilotta
2004-11-04 17:09   ` linux-os
2004-11-04 17:40     ` Giuseppe Bilotta
2004-11-04 17:46     ` Mathieu Segaud
2004-11-04 22:17     ` Anton Altaparmakov
2004-11-04 22:18       ` Anton Altaparmakov
2004-11-04 22:38       ` linux-os
2004-11-05 14:43         ` Rahul Karnik
2004-11-05  1:46     ` Horst von Brand
2004-11-05 12:41       ` linux-os
2004-12-02  0:04 What if? Imanpreet Singh Arora
2004-12-02  4:40 ` Theodore Ts'o
2004-12-02  6:39   ` Norbert van Nobelen
2004-12-02  8:24   ` James Bruce
2004-12-02 20:25     ` Theodore Ts'o
2004-12-03  2:23       ` David Schwartz
2004-12-02  8:33   ` J.A. Magallon
2004-12-02 10:46     ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2004-12-02 10:56       ` Pawel Sikora
2004-12-13 15:23       ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-12-13 21:08         ` J.A. Magallon
2004-12-16  0:57           ` Alan Cox
2004-12-16  2:44             ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-12-16 13:23               ` Alan Cox
2004-12-16 15:23                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-12-16 20:37                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-12-16 20:52                   ` Jan Engelhardt
2004-12-16 20:56                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-12-16 21:08                       ` Jan Engelhardt
2004-12-02 10:25 ` Jan Engelhardt
2004-12-05  0:23   ` Horst von Brand
2004-12-05  6:21     ` Kyle Moffett
2004-12-05 22:43       ` Horst von Brand
2004-12-06 17:27         ` linux-os
2004-12-06 18:52           ` Horst von Brand
2004-12-02 10:53 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2004-12-11  8:52 ` Gábor Lénárt
2004-12-17  1:33 [Coverity] Untrusted user data in kernel Bryan Fulton
2004-12-17  5:15 ` James Morris
2004-12-17  5:25   ` Patrick McHardy
2004-12-17  6:45     ` James Morris
2004-12-17 13:18       ` Tomas Carnecky
2004-12-17 19:16         ` David S. Miller
2004-12-17 19:34           ` Tomas Carnecky
2004-12-17 19:30             ` David S. Miller
2004-12-17 15:47       ` Bill Davidsen
2004-12-17 16:11         ` linux-os
2004-12-17 16:31           ` Oliver Neukum
2004-12-17 18:37           ` Bill Davidsen
2004-12-17 19:18           ` Tomas Carnecky
2004-12-17 19:30             ` Oliver Neukum
2004-12-17 19:39               ` Tomas Carnecky
2004-12-18  1:42           ` Horst von Brand
2004-12-17 15:10   ` Pavel Machek
2004-12-17 15:38     ` James Morris
2005-01-05 12:04 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2005-01-05 15:09   ` Jan Harkes
2005-01-05 23:17   ` Nathan Scott
     [not found]   ` <20050105161653.GF13455@fi.muni.cz>
     [not found]     ` <20050105140549.GA14622@logos.cnet>
2005-01-06  9:18       ` Jan Kasprzak
2005-01-06 14:48         ` Paulo Marques
2005-01-06 16:29         ` Alan Cox
2005-01-07 21:49   ` [PATCH 2.4.29-pre3-bk4] fs/coda " Jan Harkes
2005-01-07 21:54   ` [PATCH 2.6.10-mm2] " Jan Harkes

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