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From: linux-os <linux-os@chaos.analogic.com>
To: Horst von Brand <vonbrand@inf.utfsm.cl>
Cc: Kyle Moffett <mrmacman_g4@mac.com>,
	Imanpreet Singh Arora <imanpreet@gmail.com>,
	lkml - Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Jan Engelhardt <jengelh@linux01.gwdg.de>
Subject: Re: What if?
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 12:27:28 -0500 (EST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0412061223010.18932@chaos.analogic.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200412052243.iB5Mh5SG006136@laptop11.inf.utfsm.cl>

On Sun, 5 Dec 2004, Horst von Brand wrote:

> Kyle Moffett <mrmacman_g4@mac.com> said:
>> On Dec 04, 2004, at 19:23, Horst von Brand wrote:
>>> ... And pointless, you'd just get Linux as it stands
>>> today, and loose many current developers (due to unfamiliarity with
>>> C++).
>
>> Personally, the reason _I_ hate C++ is that I got tired of having to
>> learn the obtuse combinations of symbols and excess keywords necessary to
>> bludgeon my favorite refcount and memory management systems into the C++
>> objects.  It just wasn't worth the effort when I could write equivalent,
>> better, and easier to read code in C.
>
> C++ is sufficiently not C that for such it is probably best to just
> redesign the systems. Well done it is probably more elegant than C, but to
> get there is a _lot_ of work.
> -- 
> Dr. Horst H. von Brand                   User #22616 counter.li.org
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There is another problem. The kernel requires a procedural language
to communicate with hardware. Interface with hardware is all about
the step-by-step methods necessary to make hardware run. C++ tries
to isolate one from the actual methods involved. That's what it
was designed for.

One would need to use "extensions" just to get text to the screen.
'C' being an "smart" assembler, is nearly ideal for kernel
development.

Cheers,
Dick Johnson
Penguin : Linux version 2.6.9 on an i686 machine (5537.79 BogoMips).
  Notice : All mail here is now cached for review by John Ashcroft.
                  98.36% of all statistics are fiction.

  reply	other threads:[~2004-12-06 17:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 238+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-12-02  0:04 What if? Imanpreet Singh Arora
2004-12-02  4:40 ` Theodore Ts'o
2004-12-02  6:39   ` Norbert van Nobelen
2004-12-02  8:24   ` James Bruce
2004-12-02 20:25     ` Theodore Ts'o
2004-12-03  2:23       ` David Schwartz
2004-12-02  8:33   ` J.A. Magallon
2004-12-02 10:46     ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2004-12-02 10:56       ` Pawel Sikora
2004-12-13 15:23       ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-12-13 21:08         ` J.A. Magallon
2004-12-16  0:57           ` Alan Cox
2004-12-16  2:44             ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-12-16 13:23               ` Alan Cox
2004-12-16 15:23                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-12-16 20:37                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-12-16 20:52                   ` Jan Engelhardt
2004-12-16 20:56                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-12-16 21:08                       ` Jan Engelhardt
2004-12-02 10:25 ` Jan Engelhardt
2004-12-05  0:23   ` Horst von Brand
2004-12-05  6:21     ` Kyle Moffett
2004-12-05 22:43       ` Horst von Brand
2004-12-06 17:27         ` linux-os [this message]
2004-12-06 18:52           ` Horst von Brand
2004-12-02 10:53 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2004-12-11  8:52 ` Gábor Lénárt
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-12-17  1:33 [Coverity] Untrusted user data in kernel Bryan Fulton
2004-12-17  5:15 ` James Morris
2004-12-17  5:25   ` Patrick McHardy
2004-12-17  6:45     ` James Morris
2004-12-17 13:18       ` Tomas Carnecky
2004-12-17 19:16         ` David S. Miller
2004-12-17 19:34           ` Tomas Carnecky
2004-12-17 19:30             ` David S. Miller
2004-12-17 15:47       ` Bill Davidsen
2004-12-17 16:11         ` linux-os
2004-12-17 16:31           ` Oliver Neukum
2004-12-17 18:37           ` Bill Davidsen
2004-12-17 19:18           ` Tomas Carnecky
2004-12-17 19:30             ` Oliver Neukum
2004-12-17 19:39               ` Tomas Carnecky
2004-12-18  1:42           ` Horst von Brand
2004-12-17 15:10   ` Pavel Machek
2004-12-17 15:38     ` James Morris
2005-01-05 12:04 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2005-01-05 15:09   ` Jan Harkes
2005-01-05 23:17   ` Nathan Scott
     [not found]   ` <20050105161653.GF13455@fi.muni.cz>
     [not found]     ` <20050105140549.GA14622@logos.cnet>
2005-01-06  9:18       ` Jan Kasprzak
2005-01-06 14:48         ` Paulo Marques
2005-01-06 16:29         ` Alan Cox
2005-01-07 21:49   ` [PATCH 2.4.29-pre3-bk4] fs/coda " Jan Harkes
2005-01-07 21:54   ` [PATCH 2.6.10-mm2] " Jan Harkes
2004-11-04 16:01 Linux-2.6.9 won't allow a write to a NTFS file-system linux-os
2004-11-04 16:48 ` Giuseppe Bilotta
2004-11-04 17:09   ` linux-os
2004-11-04 17:40     ` Giuseppe Bilotta
2004-11-04 17:46     ` Mathieu Segaud
2004-11-04 22:17     ` Anton Altaparmakov
2004-11-04 22:18       ` Anton Altaparmakov
2004-11-04 22:38       ` linux-os
2004-11-05 14:43         ` Rahul Karnik
2004-11-05  1:46     ` Horst von Brand
2004-11-05 12:41       ` linux-os
2004-10-18 22:45 Linux v2.6.9 Linus Torvalds
2004-10-18 23:27 ` Thomas Zehetbauer
2004-10-19  2:54 ` Eric W. Biederman
2004-10-19 16:55   ` Jesper Juhl
2004-10-19 14:36 ` Linux v2.6.9... (compile stats) John Cherry
2004-10-19 16:18   ` Matthew Dharm
2004-10-19 16:49     ` viro
2004-10-19 21:37     ` John Cherry
2004-10-20 22:11     ` John Cherry
2004-10-20 22:41       ` viro
2004-10-21  0:12         ` Linus Torvalds
2004-10-21  0:29           ` Jeff Garzik
2004-10-21  0:44             ` viro
2004-10-21  1:55             ` viro
2004-10-21  1:59               ` Jeff Garzik
2004-10-21  2:24                 ` viro
2004-10-21  2:37                   ` Jeff Garzik
2004-10-21  4:35                     ` viro
2004-10-21  8:57                       ` Jeff Garzik
2004-10-20 22:50       ` Dave Jones
2004-10-19 17:38 ` Linux v2.6.9 and GPL Buyout Jeff V. Merkey
2004-10-19 19:13   ` Russell King
2004-10-19 19:04     ` Jeff V. Merkey
2004-10-19 19:24   ` Kurt Wall
2004-10-19 19:12     ` Jeff V. Merkey
2004-10-19 20:01     ` Richard B. Johnson
2004-10-19 20:39       ` Matt Mackall
2004-10-20  0:06         ` Richard B. Johnson
2004-10-20  5:21           ` Matt Mackall
2004-10-19 19:28   ` Andre Hedrick
2004-10-19 19:10     ` Jeff V. Merkey
2004-10-19 19:30   ` Rik van Riel
2004-10-19 19:05     ` Jeff V. Merkey
2004-10-19 20:14       ` Diego Calleja
2004-10-19 19:41         ` Jeff V. Merkey
2004-10-20  8:27           ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2004-10-20  8:45             ` Jens Axboe
2004-10-19 19:47         ` Jeff V. Merkey
2004-10-19 20:05     ` Richard B. Johnson
2004-10-19 19:38       ` Jeff V. Merkey
2004-10-19 20:30         ` Thomas Gleixner
2004-10-19 20:15           ` Jeff V. Merkey
2004-10-22 23:22           ` Tonnerre
2004-10-19 19:45   ` Ross Biro
2004-10-19 19:36     ` Jeff V. Merkey
2004-10-19 19:54   ` David Johnson
2004-10-19 19:55   ` viro
2004-10-19 19:25     ` Jeff V. Merkey
2004-10-19 20:38   ` Dax Kelson
2004-10-19 20:09     ` Jeff V. Merkey
2004-10-19 22:16       ` Jim Nelson
2004-10-19 22:57         ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2004-10-19 22:27       ` Scott Robert Ladd
2004-10-20 19:41         ` Bill Davidsen
2004-10-20  1:15       ` Horst von Brand
2004-10-20  1:16       ` Bastiaan Spandaw
2004-10-20 19:35         ` Bill Davidsen
2004-10-20  3:45       ` Ryan Anderson
2004-10-20  4:18         ` Lee Revell
2004-10-20  4:41           ` Lee Revell
2004-10-20 11:49             ` Richard B. Johnson
2004-10-29 12:12               ` Semaphore assembly-code bug linux-os
2004-10-29 14:46                 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-10-29 15:11                   ` Andi Kleen
2004-10-29 18:18                     ` Linus Torvalds
2004-10-29 18:35                       ` Richard Henderson
2004-10-29 16:06                   ` Andreas Steinmetz
2004-10-29 17:08                     ` linux-os
2004-10-29 18:06                       ` Linus Torvalds
2004-10-29 18:39                         ` linux-os
2004-10-29 19:12                           ` Linus Torvalds
2004-11-01  1:31                             ` linux-os
2004-11-01  5:49                               ` Linus Torvalds
2004-11-01 20:23                               ` dean gaudet
2004-11-01 20:52                                 ` linux-os
2004-11-01 21:23                                   ` dean gaudet
2004-11-01 22:22                                     ` linux-os
2004-11-01 21:40                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2004-11-01 21:46                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2004-11-02 15:02                                       ` linux-os
2004-11-02 16:02                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2004-11-02 16:06                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2004-11-02 16:51                                             ` linux-os
2004-11-01 22:16                                     ` linux-os
2004-11-01 22:26                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2004-11-01 23:14                                         ` linux-os
2004-11-01 23:42                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2004-11-03  1:52                                       ` Horst von Brand
2004-11-03 21:24                                       ` Bill Davidsen
2004-11-02  6:37                                     ` Chris Friesen
2004-10-29 18:58                         ` Andreas Steinmetz
2004-10-29 19:15                           ` Linus Torvalds
2004-10-29 19:40                             ` Andreas Steinmetz
2004-10-29 19:56                               ` Linus Torvalds
2004-10-29 22:07                                 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-10-29 23:50                               ` dean gaudet
2004-10-30  0:15                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-10-29 23:37                         ` dean gaudet
2004-10-29 17:22                   ` linux-os
2004-10-29 17:55                     ` Richard Henderson
2004-10-29 18:17                       ` linux-os
2004-10-29 18:42                         ` Linus Torvalds
2004-10-29 18:54                           ` Linus Torvalds
2004-10-30  3:35                           ` Jeff Garzik
2004-10-29 19:20                     ` Linus Torvalds
2004-10-29 19:26                       ` Linus Torvalds
2004-10-29 21:03                       ` Linus Torvalds
2004-10-29 17:57                   ` Richard Henderson
2004-10-29 18:37                   ` Gabriel Paubert
2004-10-20  5:58           ` Linux v2.6.9 and GPL Buyout John Alvord
2004-10-20 14:42           ` Martin Waitz
2004-10-21 23:59       ` Kelledin
2004-10-22  8:46       ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2004-10-22  9:07       ` David Weinehall
2004-10-22 16:15         ` Jeff V. Merkey
2004-10-22 17:52           ` Al Viro
2004-10-22 17:22             ` Jeff V. Merkey
2004-10-22 19:37               ` Jeff V. Merkey
2004-10-22 20:46                 ` Grahame White
2004-10-22 20:58                 ` Buddy Lucas
2004-10-22 21:00                 ` Richard B. Johnson
2004-10-22 21:03                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2004-10-23 12:33                 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2004-10-24 14:15                 ` Kai Henningsen
2004-10-27  1:45                 ` Horst von Brand
2004-10-24 11:00           ` Matthias Andree
2004-10-24 14:13           ` Kai Henningsen
2004-10-25 18:44             ` Bill Davidsen
2004-10-20 19:46     ` Bill Davidsen
2004-10-19 21:02   ` Pekka Pietikainen
2004-10-19 20:27     ` Jeff V. Merkey
2004-10-22  6:54       ` Erik Andersen
2004-10-22 16:12         ` Jeff V. Merkey
2004-10-19 21:17     ` Paul Fulghum
2004-10-20 20:41     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-10-23 13:43       ` James Bruce
2004-10-19 21:26   ` Ramón Rey Vicente
2004-10-19 22:52   ` Buddy Lucas
2004-10-20 23:43   ` Eric Bambach
2004-10-20 23:48     ` Eric Bambach
2004-10-20 23:59     ` Hua Zhong
2004-10-21  0:13     ` Russell Miller
2004-10-21  0:18       ` Adam Heath
2004-10-21 10:16       ` Horst von Brand
2004-10-22  8:48   ` Ingo Molnar
2004-10-22 16:15     ` Jeff V. Merkey
2004-10-23  0:14   ` Jon Masters
2004-10-22 23:46     ` Jeff V. Merkey
2004-10-23  0:57       ` Jon Masters
2004-10-23  4:42         ` Jeff V. Merkey
2004-10-23  6:32           ` Nick Piggin
     [not found]             ` <20041023064538.GA7866@galt.devicelogics.com>
2004-10-23  7:20               ` Jeff V. Merkey
2004-10-23 10:11           ` Gene Heskett
2004-10-23 16:28           ` Linus Torvalds
2004-10-24  2:48             ` Jesper Juhl
2004-10-24  5:11             ` Jeff V. Merkey
2004-10-24 11:14               ` Jon Masters
2004-10-24 11:50               ` Jim Nelson
2004-10-24 15:35               ` Ingo Molnar
2004-10-24 15:53               ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2004-10-31 23:14               ` Jan 'JaSan' Sarenik
2004-10-24  2:11           ` Buddy Lucas
2004-10-23  0:38     ` Lee Revell
2004-10-23  0:07       ` Jeff V. Merkey
2004-10-23  1:06         ` Lee Revell
2004-10-21  2:41 ` Linux v2.6.9 (Strange tty problem?) Paul
2004-10-21  9:07   ` Alan Cox
2004-10-21 12:39     ` Russell King
2004-10-21 13:20     ` Paul Fulghum
2004-10-21 15:37       ` Alan Cox
2004-10-21 17:00         ` Paul Fulghum
2004-10-21 15:47       ` Paul Fulghum
2004-10-21 18:12     ` Paul Fulghum
2004-10-31 21:11 ` Linux v2.6.9 dies when starting X on radeon 9200 SE PCI Helge Hafting

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