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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
To: Caitlin Bestler <caitlin.bestler@gmail.com>
Cc: libor@topspin.com, hch@infradead.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, openib-general@openib.org,
	timur.tabi@ammasso.com
Subject: Re: [openib-general] Re: [PATCH][RFC][0/4] InfiniBand userspace verbs implementation
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 17:10:50 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20050425171050.5ba25918.akpm@osdl.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <469958e00504251637350cc8c@mail.gmail.com>

Caitlin Bestler <caitlin.bestler@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > 
> > > > This is because there is no file descriptor or anything else associated
> > > > with the pages which permits the kernel to clean stuff up on unclean
> > > > application exit.  Also there are the obvious issues with permitting
> > > > pinning of unbounded amounts of memory.
> > >
> > >   Correct, the driver must be able to determine that the process has died
> > > and clean up after it, so the pinned region in most implementations is
> > > associated with an open file descriptor.
> > 
> > How is that association created?
> 
> 
> There is not a file descrptor, but there is an rnic handle. Both DAPL
> and IT-API require that process death will result in the handle and all
> of its dependent objects being released.

What's an "rnic handle", in Linux terms?

> The rnic handle can always be declared to be a "file descriptor" if
> that makes it follow normal OS conventions more precisiely.

Does that mean that the code has not yet been implemented?

Yes, a Linux fd is appropriate.  But we don't have any sane way right now
of saying "you need to run put_page() against all these pages in the
->release() handler".  That'll need to be coded by yourselves.

> There is also a need for some form of resource manager to approve
> creation of Memory Regions. Obviously you cannot have multiple
> applications claiming half of physical memory.

The kernel already has considerable resource management capabilities. 
Please consider using/extending/generalising those before inventing
anything new.  RLIMIT_MEMLOCK would be a starting point.

> But if you merely require the user to have root privileges in order
> to create a Memory Region, and then take a first-come first-served
> attitude, I don't think you end up with something that is truly a
> general purpose capability.

We don't want code in the kernel which will permit hostile unprivileged
users to trivially cause the box to lock up.  RLIMIT_MEMLOCK and, if
necessary, CAP_IPC_LOCK sound appropriate here.

> A general purpose RDMA capability requires the ability to indefinitely
> pin large portions of user memory. It makes sense to integrate that
> with OS policy control over resource utilization and to integrate it with
> memory suspend/resume capabilities so that hotplug memory can
> be supported. What you can't do is downgrade a Memory Region so
> that it is no longer a memory region. Doing that means that you are
> not truly supporting RDMA.

  reply	other threads:[~2005-04-26  0:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 144+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-04-04 22:09 [PATCH][RFC][0/4] InfiniBand userspace verbs implementation Roland Dreier
2005-04-04 22:09 ` [PATCH][RFC][1/4] IB: core changes for userspace verbs Roland Dreier
2005-04-04 22:09   ` [PATCH][RFC][2/4] IB: userspace verbs main module Roland Dreier
2005-04-04 22:09     ` [PATCH][RFC][3/4] IB: userspace verbs mthca changes Roland Dreier
2005-04-04 22:09       ` [PATCH][RFC][4/4] IB: userspace verbs Kconfig/Makefile changes Roland Dreier
2005-04-04 22:49       ` [openib-general] [PATCH][RFC][3/4] IB: userspace verbs mthca changes Tom Duffy
2005-04-04 23:34         ` Roland Dreier
2005-04-21  0:37       ` [PATCH][MTHCA] fix sparc build WAS: " Tom Duffy
2005-04-21  0:38         ` David S. Miller
2005-04-11 14:22 ` [PATCH][RFC][0/4] InfiniBand userspace verbs implementation Troy Benjegerdes
2005-04-11 15:34   ` Roland Dreier
2005-04-11 16:33     ` Troy Benjegerdes
2005-04-11 16:56       ` Roland Dreier
2005-04-11 18:01         ` Troy Benjegerdes
2005-04-11 18:03           ` Roland Dreier
2005-04-12  0:13             ` Andrew Morton
2005-04-12  0:21               ` Roland Dreier
2005-04-12 18:23                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2005-04-13 18:28                   ` Roland Dreier
2005-04-13 19:32                     ` Andrew Morton
2005-04-13  1:04               ` [openib-general] " Libor Michalek
2005-04-18 17:15                 ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-26  3:31                 ` Libor Michalek
2005-05-04 18:27                   ` Timur Tabi
2005-05-05 18:48                     ` Timur Tabi
2005-05-06 23:08                       ` Timur Tabi
2005-05-07 13:18                         ` Hugh Dickins
2005-05-07 14:45                           ` Timur Tabi
2005-05-07 16:30                             ` Hugh Dickins
2005-05-11 20:12                               ` William Jordan
2005-05-11 20:42                                 ` Hugh Dickins
2005-05-11 22:52                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-05-11 22:49                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-05-11 22:53                                   ` Timur Tabi
2005-05-11 23:05                                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-05-05 23:34                     ` Libor Michalek
2005-04-18 16:22               ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-18 16:43                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-04-18 16:45                   ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-24  2:44                     ` Andrew Morton
2005-04-24 14:23                       ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-24 20:53                         ` Greg KH
2005-04-24 21:52                           ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-25  1:03                             ` Greg KH
2005-04-25  4:12                               ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-25 13:30                                 ` Dave Hansen
2005-04-25 13:15                         ` Roland Dreier
2005-04-25 13:17                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-04-25 14:16                             ` Roland Dreier
2005-04-25 20:54                           ` Andrew Morton
2005-04-25 21:12                             ` Roland Dreier
2005-04-25 22:14                               ` Andrew Morton
2005-04-25 22:21                                 ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-25 22:32                                   ` Andrew Morton
2005-04-25 23:58                                     ` Roland Dreier
2005-04-26  0:11                                       ` Andrew Morton
2005-04-26  0:23                                         ` Roland Dreier
2005-04-26  0:37                                           ` Andrew Morton
2005-04-26  2:21                                             ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-26  3:16                                               ` Andrew Morton
2005-04-26  3:38                                                 ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-26  4:33                                                   ` Andrew Morton
2005-04-26 14:07                                                     ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-26 15:31                                             ` Roland Dreier
2005-04-26 15:42                                               ` [openib-general] " Libor Michalek
2005-04-26 15:49                                                 ` Roland Dreier
2005-04-26 19:28                                                   ` Andrew Morton
2005-04-26 20:14                                                     ` Roland Dreier
2005-04-26 20:18                                                       ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-26 20:37                                                         ` Andrew Morton
2005-04-29 14:26                                                           ` Bill Jordan
2005-04-29 15:56                                                             ` Caitlin Bestler
2005-04-29 16:45                                                               ` RDMA memory registration (was: [openib-general] Re: [PATCH][RFC][0/4] InfiniBand userspace verbs implementation) Roland Dreier
2005-04-29 17:23                                                                 ` Libor Michalek
2005-04-29 18:22                                                                 ` RDMA memory registration Brice Goglin
2005-04-29 18:31                                                                   ` Roland Dreier
2005-04-29 19:33                                                                   ` [openib-general] " Grant Grundler
2005-05-03  8:42                                                                     ` David Addison
2005-05-03 15:36                                                                       ` Grant Grundler
2005-04-29 19:43                                                                 ` RDMA memory registration (was: [openib-general] Re: [PATCH][RFC][0/4] InfiniBand userspace verbs implementation) Bill Jordan
2005-04-29 19:45                                                                   ` RDMA memory registration Roland Dreier
2005-04-29 17:04                                                               ` [openib-general] Re: [PATCH][RFC][0/4] InfiniBand userspace verbs implementation Libor Michalek
2005-04-30  0:31                                                                 ` Caitlin Bestler
2005-05-03 18:43                                                                   ` Andy Isaacson
2005-05-03 19:04                                                                     ` Caitlin Bestler
2005-05-04 18:22                                                                     ` William Jordan
2005-05-05  1:27                                                                       ` Rik van Riel
2005-05-05  1:57                                                                         ` Andy Isaacson
2005-04-26 20:32                                                       ` Andrew Morton
2005-04-26 21:23                                                         ` Roland Dreier
2005-04-27  0:05                                                           ` Andrew Morton
2005-04-27  2:13                                                             ` Roland Dreier
2005-04-27  3:21                                                             ` Caitlin Bestler
2005-04-27  3:15                                                     ` Caitlin Bestler
2005-04-26  2:03                                       ` IWAMOTO Toshihiro
2005-04-26  2:16                                         ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-26  2:26                                         ` [openib-general] " Stephen Langdon
2005-04-25 22:23                                 ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-25 22:35                                   ` Andrew Morton
2005-04-25 22:42                                     ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-25 23:13                                       ` Andrew Morton
2005-04-25 23:21                                         ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-25 23:27                                           ` Andrew Morton
2005-04-26  0:08                                         ` Roland Dreier
2005-04-25 22:51                                     ` [openib-general] Re: [PATCH][RFC][0/4] InfiniBand userspace verbsimplementation Bob Woodruff
2005-04-25 23:13                                       ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-25 23:17                                         ` Andrew Morton
2005-04-25 23:29                                         ` Bob Woodruff
2005-04-25 23:17                                     ` [openib-general] Re: [PATCH][RFC][0/4] InfiniBand userspace verbs implementation Libor Michalek
2005-04-25 23:24                                       ` Andrew Morton
2005-04-25 23:37                                         ` Caitlin Bestler
2005-04-26  0:10                                           ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2005-04-26  3:55                                         ` Libor Michalek
2005-04-26  0:02                                 ` Roland Dreier
2005-04-26  6:12                                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-04-26 13:45                                     ` [openib-general] " Caitlin Bestler
2005-04-26 15:24                                     ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-25 19:11                       ` Andy Isaacson
2005-04-18 16:09     ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-18 16:12       ` Roland Dreier
2005-04-18 16:50         ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-21 19:47           ` Pavel Machek
2005-04-18 16:16       ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-04-18 16:25         ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-18 19:40           ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-04-18 20:00             ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-18 20:05               ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-04-18 20:19                 ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-18 20:07             ` [openib-general] " Bernhard Fischer
2005-04-21  2:17               ` Troy Benjegerdes
2005-04-21  3:07                 ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-21 17:38                   ` Andy Isaacson
2005-04-21 18:39                     ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-21 19:56                       ` Andy Isaacson
2005-04-21 20:07                         ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-21 20:12                           ` Chris Wright
2005-04-21 20:14                             ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-21 20:25                               ` Chris Wright
2005-04-21 20:30                                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-04-22  6:14                           ` Greg KH
2005-04-22 17:55         ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-22 18:12           ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-04-29  0:56         ` Andrew Morton
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2005-04-22 13:10   ` [openib-general] " Bodo Eggert <harvested.in.lkml@posting.7eggert.dyndns.org>

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