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From: Caitlin Bestler <caitlin.bestler@gmail.com>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
Cc: Libor Michalek <libor@topspin.com>,
	hch@infradead.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	openib-general@openib.org, timur.tabi@ammasso.com
Subject: Re: [openib-general] Re: [PATCH][RFC][0/4] InfiniBand userspace verbs implementation
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 16:37:56 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <469958e00504251637350cc8c@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20050425162405.0889093e.akpm@osdl.org>

On 4/25/05, Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org> wrote:

> 
> > > This is because there is no file descriptor or anything else associated
> > > with the pages which permits the kernel to clean stuff up on unclean
> > > application exit.  Also there are the obvious issues with permitting
> > > pinning of unbounded amounts of memory.
> >
> >   Correct, the driver must be able to determine that the process has died
> > and clean up after it, so the pinned region in most implementations is
> > associated with an open file descriptor.
> 
> How is that association created?


There is not a file descrptor, but there is an rnic handle. Both DAPL
and IT-API require that process death will result in the handle and all
of its dependent objects being released.

The rnic handle can always be declared to be a "file descriptor" if
that makes it follow normal OS conventions more precisiely.

There is also a need for some form of resource manager to approve
creation of Memory Regions. Obviously you cannot have multiple
applications claiming half of physical memory.

But if you merely require the user to have root privileges in order
to create a Memory Region, and then take a first-come first-served
attitude, I don't think you end up with something that is truly a
general purpose capability.

A general purpose RDMA capability requires the ability to indefinitely
pin large portions of user memory. It makes sense to integrate that
with OS policy control over resource utilization and to integrate it with
memory suspend/resume capabilities so that hotplug memory can
be supported. What you can't do is downgrade a Memory Region so
that it is no longer a memory region. Doing that means that you are
not truly supporting RDMA.

  reply	other threads:[~2005-04-25 23:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 144+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-04-04 22:09 [PATCH][RFC][0/4] InfiniBand userspace verbs implementation Roland Dreier
2005-04-04 22:09 ` [PATCH][RFC][1/4] IB: core changes for userspace verbs Roland Dreier
2005-04-04 22:09   ` [PATCH][RFC][2/4] IB: userspace verbs main module Roland Dreier
2005-04-04 22:09     ` [PATCH][RFC][3/4] IB: userspace verbs mthca changes Roland Dreier
2005-04-04 22:09       ` [PATCH][RFC][4/4] IB: userspace verbs Kconfig/Makefile changes Roland Dreier
2005-04-04 22:49       ` [openib-general] [PATCH][RFC][3/4] IB: userspace verbs mthca changes Tom Duffy
2005-04-04 23:34         ` Roland Dreier
2005-04-21  0:37       ` [PATCH][MTHCA] fix sparc build WAS: " Tom Duffy
2005-04-21  0:38         ` David S. Miller
2005-04-11 14:22 ` [PATCH][RFC][0/4] InfiniBand userspace verbs implementation Troy Benjegerdes
2005-04-11 15:34   ` Roland Dreier
2005-04-11 16:33     ` Troy Benjegerdes
2005-04-11 16:56       ` Roland Dreier
2005-04-11 18:01         ` Troy Benjegerdes
2005-04-11 18:03           ` Roland Dreier
2005-04-12  0:13             ` Andrew Morton
2005-04-12  0:21               ` Roland Dreier
2005-04-12 18:23                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2005-04-13 18:28                   ` Roland Dreier
2005-04-13 19:32                     ` Andrew Morton
2005-04-13  1:04               ` [openib-general] " Libor Michalek
2005-04-18 17:15                 ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-26  3:31                 ` Libor Michalek
2005-05-04 18:27                   ` Timur Tabi
2005-05-05 18:48                     ` Timur Tabi
2005-05-06 23:08                       ` Timur Tabi
2005-05-07 13:18                         ` Hugh Dickins
2005-05-07 14:45                           ` Timur Tabi
2005-05-07 16:30                             ` Hugh Dickins
2005-05-11 20:12                               ` William Jordan
2005-05-11 20:42                                 ` Hugh Dickins
2005-05-11 22:52                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-05-11 22:49                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-05-11 22:53                                   ` Timur Tabi
2005-05-11 23:05                                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-05-05 23:34                     ` Libor Michalek
2005-04-18 16:22               ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-18 16:43                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-04-18 16:45                   ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-24  2:44                     ` Andrew Morton
2005-04-24 14:23                       ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-24 20:53                         ` Greg KH
2005-04-24 21:52                           ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-25  1:03                             ` Greg KH
2005-04-25  4:12                               ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-25 13:30                                 ` Dave Hansen
2005-04-25 13:15                         ` Roland Dreier
2005-04-25 13:17                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-04-25 14:16                             ` Roland Dreier
2005-04-25 20:54                           ` Andrew Morton
2005-04-25 21:12                             ` Roland Dreier
2005-04-25 22:14                               ` Andrew Morton
2005-04-25 22:21                                 ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-25 22:32                                   ` Andrew Morton
2005-04-25 23:58                                     ` Roland Dreier
2005-04-26  0:11                                       ` Andrew Morton
2005-04-26  0:23                                         ` Roland Dreier
2005-04-26  0:37                                           ` Andrew Morton
2005-04-26  2:21                                             ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-26  3:16                                               ` Andrew Morton
2005-04-26  3:38                                                 ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-26  4:33                                                   ` Andrew Morton
2005-04-26 14:07                                                     ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-26 15:31                                             ` Roland Dreier
2005-04-26 15:42                                               ` [openib-general] " Libor Michalek
2005-04-26 15:49                                                 ` Roland Dreier
2005-04-26 19:28                                                   ` Andrew Morton
2005-04-26 20:14                                                     ` Roland Dreier
2005-04-26 20:18                                                       ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-26 20:37                                                         ` Andrew Morton
2005-04-29 14:26                                                           ` Bill Jordan
2005-04-29 15:56                                                             ` Caitlin Bestler
2005-04-29 16:45                                                               ` RDMA memory registration (was: [openib-general] Re: [PATCH][RFC][0/4] InfiniBand userspace verbs implementation) Roland Dreier
2005-04-29 17:23                                                                 ` Libor Michalek
2005-04-29 18:22                                                                 ` RDMA memory registration Brice Goglin
2005-04-29 18:31                                                                   ` Roland Dreier
2005-04-29 19:33                                                                   ` [openib-general] " Grant Grundler
2005-05-03  8:42                                                                     ` David Addison
2005-05-03 15:36                                                                       ` Grant Grundler
2005-04-29 19:43                                                                 ` RDMA memory registration (was: [openib-general] Re: [PATCH][RFC][0/4] InfiniBand userspace verbs implementation) Bill Jordan
2005-04-29 19:45                                                                   ` RDMA memory registration Roland Dreier
2005-04-29 17:04                                                               ` [openib-general] Re: [PATCH][RFC][0/4] InfiniBand userspace verbs implementation Libor Michalek
2005-04-30  0:31                                                                 ` Caitlin Bestler
2005-05-03 18:43                                                                   ` Andy Isaacson
2005-05-03 19:04                                                                     ` Caitlin Bestler
2005-05-04 18:22                                                                     ` William Jordan
2005-05-05  1:27                                                                       ` Rik van Riel
2005-05-05  1:57                                                                         ` Andy Isaacson
2005-04-26 20:32                                                       ` Andrew Morton
2005-04-26 21:23                                                         ` Roland Dreier
2005-04-27  0:05                                                           ` Andrew Morton
2005-04-27  2:13                                                             ` Roland Dreier
2005-04-27  3:21                                                             ` Caitlin Bestler
2005-04-27  3:15                                                     ` Caitlin Bestler
2005-04-26  2:03                                       ` IWAMOTO Toshihiro
2005-04-26  2:16                                         ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-26  2:26                                         ` [openib-general] " Stephen Langdon
2005-04-25 22:23                                 ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-25 22:35                                   ` Andrew Morton
2005-04-25 22:42                                     ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-25 23:13                                       ` Andrew Morton
2005-04-25 23:21                                         ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-25 23:27                                           ` Andrew Morton
2005-04-26  0:08                                         ` Roland Dreier
2005-04-25 22:51                                     ` [openib-general] Re: [PATCH][RFC][0/4] InfiniBand userspace verbsimplementation Bob Woodruff
2005-04-25 23:13                                       ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-25 23:17                                         ` Andrew Morton
2005-04-25 23:29                                         ` Bob Woodruff
2005-04-25 23:17                                     ` [openib-general] Re: [PATCH][RFC][0/4] InfiniBand userspace verbs implementation Libor Michalek
2005-04-25 23:24                                       ` Andrew Morton
2005-04-25 23:37                                         ` Caitlin Bestler [this message]
2005-04-26  0:10                                           ` Andrew Morton
2005-04-26  3:55                                         ` Libor Michalek
2005-04-26  0:02                                 ` Roland Dreier
2005-04-26  6:12                                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-04-26 13:45                                     ` [openib-general] " Caitlin Bestler
2005-04-26 15:24                                     ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-25 19:11                       ` Andy Isaacson
2005-04-18 16:09     ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-18 16:12       ` Roland Dreier
2005-04-18 16:50         ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-21 19:47           ` Pavel Machek
2005-04-18 16:16       ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-04-18 16:25         ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-18 19:40           ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-04-18 20:00             ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-18 20:05               ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-04-18 20:19                 ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-18 20:07             ` [openib-general] " Bernhard Fischer
2005-04-21  2:17               ` Troy Benjegerdes
2005-04-21  3:07                 ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-21 17:38                   ` Andy Isaacson
2005-04-21 18:39                     ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-21 19:56                       ` Andy Isaacson
2005-04-21 20:07                         ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-21 20:12                           ` Chris Wright
2005-04-21 20:14                             ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-21 20:25                               ` Chris Wright
2005-04-21 20:30                                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-04-22  6:14                           ` Greg KH
2005-04-22 17:55         ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-22 18:12           ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-04-29  0:56         ` Andrew Morton
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     [not found] ` <3VNYt-4M4-15@gated-at.bofh.it>
2005-04-22 13:10   ` [openib-general] " Bodo Eggert <harvested.in.lkml@posting.7eggert.dyndns.org>

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