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From: Jakob Oestergaard <jakob@unthought.net>
To: Neil Brown <neilb@suse.de>
Cc: Michael Tokarev <mjt@tls.msk.ru>,
	Ross Vandegrift <ross@jose.lug.udel.edu>,
	linux-raid@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 000 of 5] md: Introduction
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 10:01:14 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060119090114.GF2729@unthought.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <17358.56263.806371.53617@cse.unsw.edu.au>

On Thu, Jan 19, 2006 at 11:22:31AM +1100, Neil Brown wrote:
...
> Compare this to an offline solution (raidreconfig) where all the code
> is only used occasionally.  You could argue that the online version
> has more code safety than the offline version....

Correct.

raidreconf, however, can convert a 2 disk RAID-0 to a 4 disk RAID-5 for
example - the whole design of raidreconf is fundamentally different (of
course) from the on-line reshape.  The on-line reshape can be (and
should be) much simpler.

Now, back when I wrote raidreconf, my thoughts were that md would be
merged into dm, and that raidreconf should evolve into something like
'pvmove' - a user-space tool that moves blocks around, interfacing with
the kernel as much as strictly necessary, allowing hot reconfiguration
of RAID setups.

That was the idea.

Reality, however, seems to be that MD is not moving quickly into DM (for
whatever reasons). Also, I haven't had the time to actually just move on
this myself. Today, raidreconf is used by some, but it is not
maintained, and it is often too slow for comfortable off-line usage
(reconfiguration of TB sized arrays is slow - not so much because of
raidreconf, but because there simply is a lot of data that needs to be
moved around).

I still think that putting MD into DM and extending pvmove to include
raidreconf functionality, would be the way to go. The final solution
should also be tolerant (like pvmove is today) of power cycles during
reconfiguration - the operation should be re-startable.

Anyway - this is just me dreaming - I don't have time to do this and it
seems that currently noone else has either.

Great initiative with the reshape Neil - hot reconfiguration is much
needed - personally I still hope to see MD move into DM and pvmove
including raidreconf functionality, but I guess that when we're eating
an elephant we should be satisfied with taking one bite at a time  :)

-- 

 / jakob


  reply	other threads:[~2006-01-19  9:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-01-17  6:56 [PATCH 000 of 5] md: Introduction NeilBrown
2006-01-17  6:56 ` [PATCH 001 of 5] md: Split disks array out of raid5 conf structure so it is easier to grow NeilBrown
2006-01-17 14:37   ` John Stoffel
2006-01-19  0:26     ` Neil Brown
2006-01-21  3:37       ` John Stoffel
2006-01-22 22:57         ` Neil Brown
2006-01-17  6:56 ` [PATCH 002 of 5] md: Allow stripes to be expanded in preparation for expanding an array NeilBrown
2006-01-17  6:56 ` [PATCH 003 of 5] md: Infrastructure to allow normal IO to continue while array is expanding NeilBrown
2006-01-17  6:56 ` [PATCH 004 of 5] md: Core of raid5 resize process NeilBrown
2006-01-17  6:56 ` [PATCH 005 of 5] md: Final stages of raid5 expand code NeilBrown
2006-01-17  9:55   ` Sander
2006-01-19  0:32     ` Neil Brown
2006-01-17  8:17 ` [PATCH 000 of 5] md: Introduction Michael Tokarev
2006-01-17  9:50   ` Sander
2006-01-17 11:26     ` Michael Tokarev
2006-01-17 14:03       ` Kyle Moffett
2006-01-19  0:28         ` Neil Brown
2006-01-17 16:08       ` Ross Vandegrift
2006-01-17 18:12         ` Michael Tokarev
2006-01-18  8:14           ` Sander
2006-01-18  9:03             ` Alan Cox
2006-01-19  0:22           ` Neil Brown
2006-01-19  9:01             ` Jakob Oestergaard [this message]
2006-01-17 22:38       ` Phillip Susi
2006-01-17 22:57         ` Neil Brown
2006-01-17 14:10   ` Steinar H. Gunderson
2006-01-22  4:42 ` Adam Kropelin
2006-01-22 22:52   ` Neil Brown
2006-01-23 23:02     ` Adam Kropelin
2006-01-23  1:08 ` John Hendrikx
2006-01-23  1:25   ` Neil Brown
2006-01-23  1:54     ` Kyle Moffett
2006-01-17 21:38 Lincoln Dale (ltd)
2006-01-18 13:27 ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-01-18 23:19   ` Neil Brown
2006-01-19 15:33     ` Mark Hahn
2006-01-19 20:12     ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-01-19 21:22       ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2006-01-19 22:17     ` Phillip Susi
2006-01-19 22:32       ` Neil Brown
2006-01-19 23:26         ` Phillip Susi
2006-01-19 23:43           ` Neil Brown
2006-01-20  2:17             ` Phillip Susi
2006-01-20 10:53               ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2006-01-20 12:06                 ` Jens Axboe
2006-01-20 18:38                 ` Heinz Mauelshagen
2006-01-20 22:09                   ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2006-01-21  0:06                     ` Heinz Mauelshagen
2006-01-20 18:41               ` Heinz Mauelshagen
2006-01-20 17:29             ` Ross Vandegrift
2006-01-20 18:36             ` Heinz Mauelshagen
2006-01-20 22:57               ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2006-01-21  0:01                 ` Heinz Mauelshagen
2006-01-21  0:03                   ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2006-01-21  0:08                     ` Heinz Mauelshagen
2006-01-21  0:13                       ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2006-01-23  9:44                         ` Heinz Mauelshagen
2006-01-23 10:26                           ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2006-01-23 10:38                             ` Heinz Mauelshagen
2006-01-23 10:45                               ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2006-01-23 11:00                                 ` Heinz Mauelshagen
2006-01-23 12:54                           ` Ville Herva
2006-01-23 13:00                             ` Steinar H. Gunderson
2006-01-23 13:54                             ` Heinz Mauelshagen
2006-01-23 17:33                               ` Ville Herva
2006-01-24  2:02                             ` Phillip Susi
2006-01-20 16:48 Hubert Tonneau
2006-01-20 17:01 Hubert Tonneau
2006-01-20 16:15 ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-01-22  6:45   ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-01-20 18:05 Hubert Tonneau

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