From: Heinz Mauelshagen <mauelshagen@redhat.com>
To: Ville Herva <vherva@vianova.fi>
Cc: Heinz Mauelshagen <mauelshagen@redhat.com>,
Lars Marowsky-Bree <lmb@suse.de>, Neil Brown <neilb@suse.de>,
Phillip Susi <psusi@cfl.rr.com>,
Jan Engelhardt <jengelh@linux01.gwdg.de>,
"Lincoln Dale (ltd)" <ltd@cisco.com>,
Michael Tokarev <mjt@tls.msk.ru>,
linux-raid@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
"Steinar H. Gunderson" <sgunderson@bigfoot.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 000 of 5] md: Introduction
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 14:54:28 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060123135428.GA2801@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20060123125420.GE1686@vianova.fi>
On Mon, Jan 23, 2006 at 02:54:20PM +0200, Ville Herva wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 23, 2006 at 10:44:18AM +0100, you [Heinz Mauelshagen] wrote:
> > >
> > > I use the regularly to play with md and other stuff...
> >
> > Me too but for production, I want to avoid the
> > additional stacking overhead and complexity.
> >
> > > So I remain unconvinced that code duplication is worth it for more than
> > > "hark we want it so!" ;-)
> >
> > Shall I remove you from the list of potential testers of dm-raid45 then ;-)
>
> Heinz,
>
> If you really want the rest of us to convert from md to lvm, you should
> perhaps give some attention to thee brittle userland (scripts and and
> binaries).
Sure :-)
>
> It is very tedious to have to debug a production system for a few hours in
> order to get the rootfs mounted after each kernel update.
>
> The lvm error messages give almost no clue on the problem.
>
> Worse yet, problem reports on these issues are completely ignored on the lvm
> mailing list, even when a patch is attached.
>
> (See
> http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-lvm&m=113775502821403&w=2
> http://linux.msede.com/lvm_mlist/archive/2001/06/0205.html
> http://linux.msede.com/lvm_mlist/archive/2001/06/0271.html
> for reference.)
Hrm, those are initscripts related, not lvm directly
>
> Such experience gives an impression lvm is not yet ready for serious
> production use.
initscripts/initramfs surely need to do the right thing
in case root is on lvm.
>
> No offense intended, lvm kernel (lvm1 nor lvm2) code has never given me
> trouble, and is probably as solid as anything.
Alright.
Is the initscript issue fixed now or still open ?
Had you filed a bug against the distros initscripts ?
>
>
> -- v --
>
> v@iki.fi
>
> PS: Speaking of debugging failing initrd init scripts; it would be nice if
> the kernel gave an error message on wrong initrd format rather than silently
> failing... Yes, I forgot to make the cpio with the "-H newc" option :-/.
--
Regards,
Heinz -- The LVM Guy --
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2006-01-23 13:55 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2006-01-17 21:38 [PATCH 000 of 5] md: Introduction Lincoln Dale (ltd)
2006-01-18 13:27 ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-01-18 23:19 ` Neil Brown
2006-01-19 15:33 ` Mark Hahn
2006-01-19 20:12 ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-01-19 21:22 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2006-01-19 22:17 ` Phillip Susi
2006-01-19 22:32 ` Neil Brown
2006-01-19 23:26 ` Phillip Susi
2006-01-19 23:43 ` Neil Brown
2006-01-20 2:17 ` Phillip Susi
2006-01-20 10:53 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2006-01-20 12:06 ` Jens Axboe
2006-01-20 18:38 ` Heinz Mauelshagen
2006-01-20 22:09 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2006-01-21 0:06 ` Heinz Mauelshagen
2006-01-20 18:41 ` Heinz Mauelshagen
2006-01-20 17:29 ` Ross Vandegrift
2006-01-20 18:36 ` Heinz Mauelshagen
2006-01-20 22:57 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2006-01-21 0:01 ` Heinz Mauelshagen
2006-01-21 0:03 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2006-01-21 0:08 ` Heinz Mauelshagen
2006-01-21 0:13 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2006-01-23 9:44 ` Heinz Mauelshagen
2006-01-23 10:26 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2006-01-23 10:38 ` Heinz Mauelshagen
2006-01-23 10:45 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2006-01-23 11:00 ` Heinz Mauelshagen
2006-01-23 12:54 ` Ville Herva
2006-01-23 13:00 ` Steinar H. Gunderson
2006-01-23 13:54 ` Heinz Mauelshagen [this message]
2006-01-23 17:33 ` Ville Herva
2006-01-24 2:02 ` Phillip Susi
2006-01-24 7:26 ` Error message for invalid initramfs cpio format? Ville Herva
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2006-01-20 18:05 [PATCH 000 of 5] md: Introduction Hubert Tonneau
2006-01-20 17:01 Hubert Tonneau
2006-01-20 16:15 ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-01-22 6:45 ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-01-20 16:48 Hubert Tonneau
2006-01-17 6:56 NeilBrown
2006-01-17 8:17 ` Michael Tokarev
2006-01-17 9:50 ` Sander
2006-01-17 11:26 ` Michael Tokarev
2006-01-17 14:03 ` Kyle Moffett
2006-01-19 0:28 ` Neil Brown
2006-01-17 16:08 ` Ross Vandegrift
2006-01-17 18:12 ` Michael Tokarev
2006-01-18 8:14 ` Sander
2006-01-18 9:03 ` Alan Cox
2006-01-19 0:22 ` Neil Brown
2006-01-19 9:01 ` Jakob Oestergaard
2006-01-17 22:38 ` Phillip Susi
2006-01-17 22:57 ` Neil Brown
2006-01-17 14:10 ` Steinar H. Gunderson
2006-01-22 4:42 ` Adam Kropelin
2006-01-22 22:52 ` Neil Brown
2006-01-23 23:02 ` Adam Kropelin
2006-01-23 1:08 ` John Hendrikx
2006-01-23 1:25 ` Neil Brown
2006-01-23 1:54 ` Kyle Moffett
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