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From: "Serge E. Hallyn" <serue@us.ibm.com>
To: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	"Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> Dave Hansen" 
	<haveblue@us.ibm.com>, Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
	Suleiman Souhlal <ssouhlal@FreeBSD.org>,
	Serge Hallyn <serue@us.ibm.com>,
	Hubertus Franke <frankeh@watson.ibm.com>,
	Cedric Le Goater <clg@fr.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: RFC: Multiple instances of kernel namespaces.
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 14:13:53 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060120201353.GA13265@sergelap.austin.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m1bqy6oevn.fsf_-_@ebiederm.dsl.xmission.com>

Quoting Eric W. Biederman (ebiederm@xmission.com):
> 
> At this point I have to confess I have been working on something
> similar, to IBM's pid virtualization work.  But I have what is at
> least for me a unifying concept, that makes things easier to think
> about.
> 
> The idea is to think about things in terms of namespaces.  Currently
> in the kernel we have the fs/mount namespace already implemented.
> 
> Partly this helps on what the interface for creating a new namespace
> instance should be.  'clone(CLONE_NEW<NAMESPACE_TYPE>)', and how
> it should be managed from the kernel data structures.
> 
> Partly thinking of things as namespaces helps me scope the problem.
> 
> Does this sound like a sane approach?

And a bonus of this is that for security and vserver-type applications,
the CLONE_NEWPID and CLONE_NEWFS will often happen at the same time.

How do you (or do you?) address naming namespaces?  This would be
necessary for transitioning into an existing namespace, performing
actions on existing namespaces (i.e. checkpoint, migrate to another
machine, enter the namespace and kill pid 521), and would just be
useful for accounting purposes, i.e. how else do you have a
"ps --all-namespaces" specify a process' namespace?

Doubt we want to add an argument to clone(), so do we just add a new
proc, sysfs, or syscall for setting a pid-namespace name?

Do we need a new syscall for transitioning into an existing namespace?

thanks,
-serge

  reply	other threads:[~2006-01-20 20:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 136+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-01-17 14:32 RFC [patch 00/34] PID Virtualization Overview Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 14:32 ` RFC [patch 01/34] PID Virtualization Change pid accesses: drivers Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 14:33 ` RFC [patch 02/34] PID Virtualization Change pid accesses: most archs Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 14:33 ` RFC [patch 03/34] PID Virtualization Change pid accesses: filesystems Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 14:33 ` RFC [patch 04/34] PID Virtualization Change pid accesses: include/ Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 14:33 ` RFC [patch 05/34] PID Virtualization Change pid accesses: ipc Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 14:33 ` RFC [patch 06/34] PID Virtualization Change pid accesses: kernel/ Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 14:33 ` RFC [patch 07/34] PID Virtualization Change pid accesses: lib/ Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 14:33 ` RFC [patch 08/34] PID Virtualization Change pid accesses: mm/ Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 14:33 ` RFC [patch 09/34] PID Virtualization Change pid accesses: net/ Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 14:33 ` RFC [patch 10/34] PID Virtualization Change pid accesses: security/ Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 14:33 ` RFC [patch 11/34] PID Virtualization Change pid accesses: sound/ Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 14:33 ` RFC [patch 12/34] PID Virtualization Change pid accesses: ia64 and mips Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 14:33 ` RFC [patch 13/34] PID Virtualization Define new task_pid api Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 15:32   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-01-17 15:56     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-01-17 16:02       ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-01-17 16:03       ` Alan Cox
2006-01-17 17:16         ` Kyle Moffett
2006-01-17 17:25         ` Dave Hansen
2006-01-18  4:54           ` Greg KH
2006-01-18  4:55           ` Greg KH
2006-01-18 16:23             ` Dave Hansen
2006-01-20 17:00               ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-01-20 20:18                 ` Hubertus Franke
2006-01-21 10:25                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-01-23 18:38                     ` Hubertus Franke
2006-01-23 18:48                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-01-21 14:42                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-01-22  6:43                     ` Kyle Moffett
2006-01-22 15:48                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-01-22 15:55                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-01-22 16:24                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-01-26 20:01                             ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-01-27  9:04                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-01-27 12:27                                 ` Kyle Moffett
2006-01-27 13:15                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-01-23 18:50                     ` Hubertus Franke
2006-01-23 19:28                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-01-23 21:11                         ` Alan Cox
2006-01-23 21:30                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-01-23 22:15                             ` Hubertus Franke
2006-01-24  6:56                               ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-01-24 19:34                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-01-24 21:09                                 ` Hubertus Franke
2006-01-24  0:22                             ` Alan Cox
2006-01-24 19:26                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-01-24 21:11                                 ` Alan Cox
2006-01-24 21:15                                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-01-25  9:58                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-01-25 15:10                                       ` Trond Myklebust
2006-01-25 18:01                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-01-25 19:30                                           ` Trond Myklebust
2006-01-25 21:59                                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-01-25  9:13                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-01-25  9:51                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-01-26 20:23                                     ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-01-27  8:28                                       ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                       ` <m1k6cqlmfe.fsf_-_@ebiederm.dsl.xmission.com>
2006-01-23 21:57                         ` RFC: [PATCH] pids as weak references Dave Hansen
2006-01-31 21:02                   ` RFC [patch 13/34] PID Virtualization Define new task_pid api Linus Torvalds
2006-02-01  0:01                     ` Hubertus Franke
2006-02-01  4:18                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-01  4:39                       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-01  7:14                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-01 16:41                         ` Dave Hansen
2006-02-02  5:14                         ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-02-01 16:29                       ` Greg
2006-02-01 16:44                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-02 13:50                           ` Greg
2006-02-02 14:09                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-02 14:48                     ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-02-02 15:13                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-02 15:26                         ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-02-02 15:51                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-02 16:05                             ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-02-02 16:27                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-02 21:32                                 ` Cedric Le Goater
2006-02-02 21:43                                   ` Hubertus Franke
2006-02-02 21:46                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-03 10:07                                     ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-02-03 10:52                                 ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-02-03 11:09                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-03 15:45                                   ` Dave Hansen
2006-02-03 16:35                                     ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-02-02 21:10                             ` Cedric Le Goater
2006-02-02 21:24                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-06 20:15                         ` Pavel Machek
2006-02-06 20:34                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-06 20:36                           ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-02-06 20:40                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-02 14:49           ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-01-17 14:33 ` RFC [patch 14/34] PID Virtualization const parameter for process group Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 14:33 ` RFC [patch 15/34] PID Virtualization task virtual pid access functions Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 14:33 ` RFC [patch 16/34] PID Virtualization return virtual pids where required Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 14:33 ` RFC [patch 17/34] PID Virtualization return virtual process group ids Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 14:33 ` RFC [patch 18/34] PID Virtualization code enhancements for virtual pids in /proc Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 14:33 ` RFC [patch 19/34] PID Virtualization Define pid_to_vpid functions Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 14:33 ` RFC [patch 20/34] PID Virtualization Use pid_to_vpid conversion functions Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 14:33 ` RFC [patch 21/34] PID Virtualization file owner pid virtualization Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 14:33 ` RFC [patch 22/34] PID Virtualization define vpid_to_pid functions Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 14:33 ` RFC [patch 23/34] PID Virtualization Use " Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 14:33 ` RFC [patch 24/34] PID Virtualization use vpgid_to_pgid function Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 14:33 ` RFC [patch 25/34] PID Virtualization Context for pid_to_vpid conversition functions Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 14:33 ` RFC [patch 26/34] PID Virtualization Documentation Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 14:33 ` RFC [patch 27/34] PID Virtualization pidspace Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 14:33 ` RFC [patch 28/34] PID Virtualization container object and functions Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 14:33 ` RFC [patch 29/34] PID Virtualization container attach/detach calls Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 14:33 ` RFC [patch 30/34] PID Virtualization /proc/container filesystem Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 14:33 ` RFC [patch 31/34] PID Virtualization Implementation of low level virtualization functions Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 14:33 ` RFC [patch 32/34] PID Virtualization Handle special case vpid return cases Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 14:33 ` RFC [patch 33/34] PID Virtualization per container /proc filesystem Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 14:33 ` RFC [patch 34/34] PID Virtualization pidspace parent : signal behavior Serge Hallyn
2006-01-17 16:19 ` RFC [patch 00/34] PID Virtualization Overview Suleiman Souhlal
2006-01-17 17:08   ` Dave Hansen
2006-01-17 18:09     ` Suleiman Souhlal
2006-01-17 18:12       ` Dave Hansen
2006-01-17 18:29         ` Alan Cox
2006-01-18 19:01           ` Dave Hansen
2006-01-18 19:28             ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-01-18 19:38               ` Dave Hansen
2006-01-18 19:50                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-01-18 22:54                 ` Alan Cox
2006-01-19  7:15                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-01-20  5:11                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-01-20 20:23                       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-01-20 20:33                         ` Hubertus Franke
2006-01-21 10:34                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-01-20 19:53                   ` RFC: Multiple instances of kernel namespaces Eric W. Biederman
2006-01-20 20:13                     ` Serge E. Hallyn [this message]
2006-01-20 20:22                       ` Hubertus Franke
     [not found]                         ` <20060120203555.GC13265@sergelap.austin.ibm.com>
2006-01-20 21:47                           ` Hubertus Franke
2006-01-21 10:04                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-01-26 19:47                         ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-01-26 20:13                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-01-26 20:27                             ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-01-21 10:31             ` RFC [patch 00/34] PID Virtualization Overview Pavel Machek

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