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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
To: Ravikiran G Thirumalai <kiran@scalex86.org>
Cc: dada1@cosmosbay.com, davem@davemloft.net,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, shai@scalex86.org,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, pravins@calsoftinc.com
Subject: Re: [patch 3/4] net: Percpufy frequently used variables -- proto.sockets_allocated
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 15:01:06 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060127150106.38b9e041.akpm@osdl.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20060127224433.GB3565@localhost.localdomain>

Ravikiran G Thirumalai <kiran@scalex86.org> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Jan 27, 2006 at 12:16:02PM -0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > Ravikiran G Thirumalai <kiran@scalex86.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > which can be assumed as not frequent.  
> > > At sk_stream_mem_schedule(), read_sockets_allocated() is invoked only 
> > > certain conditions, under memory pressure -- on a large CPU count machine, 
> > > you'd have large memory, and I don't think read_sockets_allocated would get 
> > > called often.  It did not atleast on our 8cpu/16G box.  So this should be OK 
> > > I think.
> > 
> > That being said, the percpu_counters aren't a terribly successful concept
> > and probably do need a revisit due to the high inaccuracy at high CPU
> > counts.  It might be better to do some generic version of vm_acct_memory()
> > instead.
> 
> AFAICS vm_acct_memory is no better.  The deviation on large cpu counts is the 
> same as percpu_counters -- (NR_CPUS * NR_CPUS * 2) ...

I suppose so.  Except vm_acct_memory() has

	#define ACCT_THRESHOLD  max(16, NR_CPUS * 2)

But if we were to perform similar tuning to percpu_counter, yes, they're
pretty similar.

Oh, and because vm_acct_memory() is counting a singleton object, it can use
DEFINE_PER_CPU rather than alloc_percpu(), so it saves on a bit of kmalloc
overhead.


> > 
> > If the benchmarks say that we need to.  If we cannot observe any problems
> > in testing of existing code and if we can't demonstrate any benefit from
> > the patched code then one option is to go off and do something else ;)
> 
> We first tried plain per-CPU counters for memory_allocated, found that reads
> on memory_allocated was causing cacheline transfers, and then
> switched over to batching.  So batching reads is useful.  To avoid
> inaccuracy, we can maybe change percpu_counter_init to:
> 
> void percpu_counter_init(struct percpu_counter *fbc, int maxdev)
> 
> the percpu batching limit would then be maxdev/num_possible_cpus.  One would
> use batching counters only when both reads and writes are frequent.  With
> the above scheme, we would go fetch cachelines from other cpus for read
> often only on large cpu counts, which is not any worse than the global
> counter alternative, but it would still be beneficial on smaller machines,
> without sacrificing a pre-set deviation.  
> 
> Comments?

Sounds sane.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-01-27 22:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-01-26 18:56 [patch 0/4] net: Percpufy frequently used variables on struct proto Ravikiran G Thirumalai
2006-01-26 18:59 ` [patch 1/4] net: Percpufy frequently used variables -- add percpu_counter_mod_bh Ravikiran G Thirumalai
2006-01-26 19:02 ` [patch 2/4] net: Percpufy frequently used variables -- struct proto.memory_allocated Ravikiran G Thirumalai
2006-01-27  9:01   ` Eric Dumazet
2006-01-26 19:03 ` [patch 3/4] net: Percpufy frequently used variables -- proto.sockets_allocated Ravikiran G Thirumalai
2006-01-27  8:53   ` Eric Dumazet
2006-01-27 19:52     ` Ravikiran G Thirumalai
2006-01-27 20:16       ` Andrew Morton
2006-01-27 22:30         ` Eric Dumazet
2006-01-27 22:50           ` Ravikiran G Thirumalai
2006-01-27 23:21             ` Eric Dumazet
2006-01-28  0:40               ` Ravikiran G Thirumalai
2006-01-27 22:44         ` Ravikiran G Thirumalai
2006-01-27 22:58           ` Eric Dumazet
2006-01-27 23:16             ` Andrew Morton
2006-01-28  0:28               ` Eric Dumazet
2006-01-28  0:35                 ` Eric Dumazet
2006-01-28  4:52                   ` Ravikiran G Thirumalai
2006-01-28  7:19                     ` Eric Dumazet
2006-01-28  0:43                 ` Andrew Morton
2006-01-28  1:10                   ` Eric Dumazet
2006-01-28  1:18                     ` Andrew Morton
2006-01-29  0:44                 ` Benjamin LaHaise
2006-01-29  0:55                   ` Andrew Morton
2006-01-29  1:19                     ` Benjamin LaHaise
2006-01-29  1:29                       ` Andrew Morton
2006-01-29  1:45                       ` Kyle McMartin
2006-01-29  5:38                     ` Andi Kleen
2006-01-29  6:54                   ` Eric Dumazet
2006-01-29 19:52                     ` Benjamin LaHaise
2006-01-27 23:01           ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2006-01-27 23:08             ` Andrew Morton
2006-01-28  0:01               ` Ravikiran G Thirumalai
2006-01-28  0:26                 ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-03  3:05             ` Ravikiran G Thirumalai
2006-02-03  3:16               ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-03 19:37                 ` Ravikiran G Thirumalai
2006-02-03 20:13                   ` Andrew Morton
2006-01-26 19:05 ` [patch 4/4] net: Percpufy frequently used variables -- proto.inuse Ravikiran G Thirumalai

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