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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
To: Eric Dumazet <dada1@cosmosbay.com>
Cc: kiran@scalex86.org, davem@davemloft.net,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, shai@scalex86.org,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, pravins@calsoftinc.com
Subject: Re: [patch 3/4] net: Percpufy frequently used variables -- proto.sockets_allocated
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 15:16:35 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060127151635.3a149fe2.akpm@osdl.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <43DAA586.5050609@cosmosbay.com>

Eric Dumazet <dada1@cosmosbay.com> wrote:
>
> Ravikiran G Thirumalai a écrit :
> > On Fri, Jan 27, 2006 at 12:16:02PM -0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
> >> Ravikiran G Thirumalai <kiran@scalex86.org> wrote:
> >>> which can be assumed as not frequent.  
> >>> At sk_stream_mem_schedule(), read_sockets_allocated() is invoked only 
> >>> certain conditions, under memory pressure -- on a large CPU count machine, 
> >>> you'd have large memory, and I don't think read_sockets_allocated would get 
> >>> called often.  It did not atleast on our 8cpu/16G box.  So this should be OK 
> >>> I think.
> >> That being said, the percpu_counters aren't a terribly successful concept
> >> and probably do need a revisit due to the high inaccuracy at high CPU
> >> counts.  It might be better to do some generic version of vm_acct_memory()
> >> instead.
> > 
> > AFAICS vm_acct_memory is no better.  The deviation on large cpu counts is the 
> > same as percpu_counters -- (NR_CPUS * NR_CPUS * 2) ...
> 
> Ah... yes you are right, I read min(16, NR_CPUS*2)

So did I ;)

> I wonder if it is not a typo... I mean, I understand the more cpus you have, 
> the less updates on central atomic_t is desirable, but a quadratic offset 
> seems too much...

I'm not sure whether it was a mistake or if I intended it and didn't do the
sums on accuracy :(

An advantage of retaining a spinlock in percpu_counter is that if accuracy
is needed at a low rate (say, /proc reading) we can take the lock and then
go spill each CPU's local count into the main one.  It would need to be a
very low rate though.   Or we make the cpu-local counters atomic too.

Certainly it's sensible to delegate the tuning to the creator of the
percpu_counter, but it'll be a difficult thing to get right.

  reply	other threads:[~2006-01-27 23:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-01-26 18:56 [patch 0/4] net: Percpufy frequently used variables on struct proto Ravikiran G Thirumalai
2006-01-26 18:59 ` [patch 1/4] net: Percpufy frequently used variables -- add percpu_counter_mod_bh Ravikiran G Thirumalai
2006-01-26 19:02 ` [patch 2/4] net: Percpufy frequently used variables -- struct proto.memory_allocated Ravikiran G Thirumalai
2006-01-27  9:01   ` Eric Dumazet
2006-01-26 19:03 ` [patch 3/4] net: Percpufy frequently used variables -- proto.sockets_allocated Ravikiran G Thirumalai
2006-01-27  8:53   ` Eric Dumazet
2006-01-27 19:52     ` Ravikiran G Thirumalai
2006-01-27 20:16       ` Andrew Morton
2006-01-27 22:30         ` Eric Dumazet
2006-01-27 22:50           ` Ravikiran G Thirumalai
2006-01-27 23:21             ` Eric Dumazet
2006-01-28  0:40               ` Ravikiran G Thirumalai
2006-01-27 22:44         ` Ravikiran G Thirumalai
2006-01-27 22:58           ` Eric Dumazet
2006-01-27 23:16             ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2006-01-28  0:28               ` Eric Dumazet
2006-01-28  0:35                 ` Eric Dumazet
2006-01-28  4:52                   ` Ravikiran G Thirumalai
2006-01-28  7:19                     ` Eric Dumazet
2006-01-28  0:43                 ` Andrew Morton
2006-01-28  1:10                   ` Eric Dumazet
2006-01-28  1:18                     ` Andrew Morton
2006-01-29  0:44                 ` Benjamin LaHaise
2006-01-29  0:55                   ` Andrew Morton
2006-01-29  1:19                     ` Benjamin LaHaise
2006-01-29  1:29                       ` Andrew Morton
2006-01-29  1:45                       ` Kyle McMartin
2006-01-29  5:38                     ` Andi Kleen
2006-01-29  6:54                   ` Eric Dumazet
2006-01-29 19:52                     ` Benjamin LaHaise
2006-01-27 23:01           ` Andrew Morton
2006-01-27 23:08             ` Andrew Morton
2006-01-28  0:01               ` Ravikiran G Thirumalai
2006-01-28  0:26                 ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-03  3:05             ` Ravikiran G Thirumalai
2006-02-03  3:16               ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-03 19:37                 ` Ravikiran G Thirumalai
2006-02-03 20:13                   ` Andrew Morton
2006-01-26 19:05 ` [patch 4/4] net: Percpufy frequently used variables -- proto.inuse Ravikiran G Thirumalai

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