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From: Oliver Neukum <oneukum@suse.de>
To: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
Cc: Dmitry Torokhov <dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com>,
	Maneesh Soni <maneesh@in.ibm.com>,
	gregkh@suse.de, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: refcounting drivers' data structures used in sysfs buffers
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 09:54:21 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200703120954.22038.oneukum@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.0703101405330.7545-100000@patience.localdomain>

Am Samstag, 10. März 2007 20:19 schrieb Alan Stern:
> On Fri, 9 Mar 2007, Oliver Neukum wrote:
> 
> > Am Freitag, 9. März 2007 21:08 schrieb Alan Stern:
> > > After some more thought, I basically agree with what Oliver wrote
> > > originally.  sysfs_dirent is indeed the logical place to store the kref
> > > pointer.  However it needs to be used during open and release, not during
> > 
> > OK.
> > 
> > > read, write, and poll.  Another point, which Oliver didn't think of, is
> > > that the kref pointer needs to be passed to the driver as an argument in
> > > the show() and store() method calls.
> > 
> > Why? What's wrong with simply calling kref_get/put?
> 
> It's the same old problem: the race between unbind and sysfs I/O.  What
> good does holding a reference to the private data structure do if the
> show/store method gets called after the driver has been unbound from the
> device?  dev_get_drvdata() will no longer provide a valid pointer to the
> private data, so the method will have no way to access it.  Hence the
> method needs another argument.

It does half the job. You can make sure the driver is not asked to access
freed memory.
It is true that a driver will have to mark that device "disconnected"
and return errors if that device's attributes are referenced, but this can
be done internally.

Yes, this is a bit more complicated.
{rant mode}
Who came up with the idea of making life simpler by adding a code path?
All these problems were already solved for device nodes. Ioctl is ugly, but
at least a known code path.
{rant off}

> (BTW, the sysfs core would actually need more than a kref.  It would also 
> need a pointer to a release routine -- the kref contains only the atomic

Yes, this is implied.

	Regards
		Oliver

  reply	other threads:[~2007-03-12  8:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-03-08 13:05 refcounting drivers' data structures used in sysfs buffers Oliver Neukum
2007-03-08 16:02 ` Alan Stern
2007-03-09  0:45   ` Oliver Neukum
2007-03-09 16:32     ` Alan Stern
2007-03-09 16:44       ` Oliver Neukum
2007-03-09 17:02         ` Dmitry Torokhov
2007-03-09 17:18           ` Oliver Neukum
2007-03-09 17:34             ` Dmitry Torokhov
2007-03-09 19:32               ` Alan Stern
2007-03-09 20:05                 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-03-09 20:27                   ` Alan Stern
2007-03-09 20:39                     ` Oliver Neukum
2007-03-09 20:08               ` Alan Stern
2007-03-09 20:48                 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-03-10 19:19                   ` Alan Stern
2007-03-12  8:54                     ` Oliver Neukum [this message]
2007-03-12 14:57                       ` Alan Stern
2007-03-12 15:23                         ` Oliver Neukum
2007-03-12 15:42                           ` Dmitry Torokhov
2007-03-12 15:59                             ` Oliver Neukum
2007-03-12 16:21                               ` Alan Stern
2007-03-12 18:25                                 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-03-12 19:31                                   ` Alan Stern
2007-03-12 19:49                                     ` Oliver Neukum
2007-03-12 20:03                                       ` Alan Stern
2007-03-12 20:15                                         ` Oliver Neukum
2007-03-12 20:31                                         ` Dmitry Torokhov
2007-03-12 20:45                                           ` Alan Stern
2007-03-12 21:31                                           ` Richard Purdie
2007-03-13 15:00                                             ` 2.6.21-rc suspend regression: sysfs deadlock Alan Stern
2007-03-13 18:42                                               ` Cornelia Huck
2007-03-13 21:20                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-14 16:12                                                   ` Alan Stern
2007-03-14 18:43                                                     ` Cornelia Huck
2007-03-14 19:23                                                       ` Alan Stern
2007-03-15 10:27                                                         ` Cornelia Huck
2007-03-15 12:31                                                           ` Hugh Dickins
2007-03-15 13:02                                                             ` Oliver Neukum
2007-03-15 13:22                                                               ` Dmitry Torokhov
2007-03-15 13:59                                                                 ` Hugh Dickins
2007-03-15 14:27                                                           ` Alan Stern
2007-03-15 15:32                                                             ` Cornelia Huck
2007-03-15 16:29                                                             ` Hugh Dickins
2007-03-15 16:51                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-15 19:50                                                                 ` [PATCH] sysfs and driver core: add callback helper, used by SCSI and S390 Alan Stern
2007-03-15 19:51                                                                 ` [PATCH] sysfs: reinstate exclusion between method calls and attribute unregistration Alan Stern
2007-03-13 19:00                                               ` 2.6.21-rc suspend regression: sysfs deadlock Hugh Dickins
2007-03-13 20:09                                                 ` Alan Stern
2007-03-13 20:55                                                   ` Hugh Dickins
2007-03-13 21:08                                                     ` Dmitry Torokhov
2007-03-13 21:20                                                     ` Alan Stern

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