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From: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
To: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@polymtl.ca>
Cc: Andi Kleen <ak@muc.de>,
	systemtap@sources.redhat.com, prasanna@in.ibm.com,
	ananth@in.ibm.com, anil.s.keshavamurthy@intel.com,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	hch@infradead.org
Subject: Re: [patch 05/10] Linux Kernel Markers - i386 optimized version
Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 17:28:43 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070510172843.7aa72237@the-village.bc.nu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070510155501.GI22424@Krystal>

> * First issue : Impact on the system. If we try to make this system
>   scale, we will create very long irq disable sections. The expected
>   duration is the worse case IPI latency plus the time it takes to CPU A
>   to change the variable. We therefore directly grow the worse case
>   system's interrupt latency.

Not a huge problem. It doesn't scale in really horrible ways and the IPI
latency on a PIV or later is actually very good. Also the impact is less
than you might think as on huge huge boxes you want multiple copies of
the kernel text pages to reduce NUMA traffic, so you only have to sync
the group of processors involved 

> * Second issue : irq disabling does not protect us from NMI and traps.
>   We cannot use this algorithm to mark these code segments.

If you synchronize all the other processors and disable local interrupts
then the only traps you have to worry about are those you cause, and the
only person taking the trap will be you so you're ok.

NMI is hard but NMI is a special case not worth solving IMHO.

> * Third issue : Scalability. Changing code will stop every CPU on the
>   system for a while. Compared to this, the int3-based approach will run
>   through the breakpoint handler "if" one of the CPU happens to execute
>   this code at the wrong time. The standard case is just an IPI (to

If I read the errata right then patching in an int3 will itself trigger
the errata so anything could happen.

I believe there are other safe sequences for doing code patching - perhaps
one of the Intel folk can advise ?

Alan

  reply	other threads:[~2007-05-10 16:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-05-10  1:55 [patch 00/10] Linux Kernel Markers for 2.6.21-mm2 Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-05-10  1:55 ` [patch 01/10] Linux Kernel Markers - Add kconfig menus for the marker code Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-05-10  6:57   ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-05-10  1:55 ` [patch 02/10] Linux Kernel Markers, architecture independent code Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-05-10  5:10   ` Alexey Dobriyan
2007-05-10 12:58     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-05-10 13:12     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-05-10 19:00       ` Alexey Dobriyan
2007-05-10 19:46         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-05-10  1:55 ` [patch 03/10] Allow userspace applications to use marker.h to parse the markers section in the kernel binary Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-05-10  6:51   ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-05-10 22:14     ` David Smith
2007-06-23  8:09       ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-06-23  9:25         ` Alan Cox
2007-06-23  9:32           ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-06-23  9:49             ` Alan Cox
2007-06-23 10:06               ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-06-23 14:55                 ` Alan Cox
2007-05-10  1:55 ` [patch 04/10] Linux Kernel Markers - PowerPC optimized version Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-05-10  6:57   ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-05-10  1:56 ` [patch 05/10] Linux Kernel Markers - i386 " Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-05-10  9:06   ` Andi Kleen
2007-05-10 15:55     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-05-10 16:28       ` Alan Cox [this message]
2007-05-10 16:59         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-05-11  4:57           ` Ananth N Mavinakayanahalli
2007-05-11 18:55             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-05-12  5:29             ` Suparna Bhattacharya
2007-05-11  6:04           ` Andi Kleen
2007-05-11 18:02             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-05-11 21:56               ` Alan Cox
2007-05-13 15:20                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-05-10  1:56 ` [patch 06/10] Linux Kernel Markers - Non optimized architectures Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-05-10  5:13   ` Alexey Dobriyan
2007-05-10  6:56   ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-05-10 13:11     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-05-10 13:40       ` Alan Cox
2007-05-10 14:25         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-05-10 15:33         ` Nicholas Berry
2007-05-10 16:09           ` Alan Cox
2007-05-10  1:56 ` [patch 07/10] Linux Kernel Markers - Documentation Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-05-10  6:58   ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-05-10 11:41     ` Alan Cox
2007-05-10 11:41       ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-05-10 12:48         ` Alan Cox
2007-05-10 12:52           ` Pekka Enberg
2007-05-10 13:04             ` Alan Cox
2007-05-10 13:16               ` Pekka J Enberg
2007-05-10 13:43                 ` Alan Cox
2007-05-10 14:04                   ` Pekka J Enberg
2007-05-10 14:12     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-05-10 14:14     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-05-11 15:05     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-05-10 12:00   ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-05-10 15:51   ` Scott Preece
2007-05-10  1:56 ` [patch 08/10] Defines the linker macro EXTRA_RWDATA for the marker data section Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-05-10  1:56 ` [patch 09/10] Linux Kernel Markers - Use EXTRA_RWDATA in architectures Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-05-10  1:56 ` [patch 10/10] Port of blktrace to the Linux Kernel Markers Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-05-10  6:53   ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-05-10  9:20   ` Jens Axboe
2007-05-10  2:30 ` [patch 00/10] Linux Kernel Markers for 2.6.21-mm2 Andrew Morton

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