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From: Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
To: Roland Dreier <rdreier@cisco.com>
Cc: Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	sam@ravnborg.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC] [1/9] Core module symbol namespaces code and intro.
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:49:37 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200711271549.37670.rusty@rustcorp.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <adahcj9sfan.fsf@cisco.com>

On Monday 26 November 2007 17:15:44 Roland Dreier wrote:
>  > Except C doesn't have namespaces and this mechanism doesn't create them.
>  >  So this is just complete and utter makework; as I said before, noone's
>  > going to confuse all those udp_* functions if they're not in the udp
>  > namespace.
>
> I don't understand why you're so opposed to organizing the kernel's
> exported symbols in a more self-documenting way.

No, I was the one who moved exports near their declarations.  That's 
organised.  I just don't see how this new "organization" will help: oh good, 
I won't accidentally use the udp functions any more?!?

> It seems pretty   
> clear to me that having a mechanism that requires modules to make
> explicit which (semi-)internal APIs makes reviewing easier

Perhaps you've got lots of patches were people are using internal APIs they 
shouldn't?

> , makes it 
> easier to communicate "please don't use that API" to module authors,

Well, introduce an EXPORT_SYMBOL_INTERNAL().  It's a lot less code.  But you'd 
still need to show that people are having trouble knowing what APIs to use.

> and takes at least a small step towards bringing the kernel's exported
> API under control.

There is no "exported API" to bring under control.  There are symbols we 
expose for the kernel's own use which can be used by external modules at 
their own risk.  

> What's the real downside? 

No.  That's the wrong question.  What's the real upside?

Let's not put code in the core because "it doesn't seem to hurt".

I'm sure you think there's a real problem, but I'm still waiting for someone 
to *show* it to me.  Then we can look at solutions.

Rusty.

  reply	other threads:[~2007-11-27  5:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-11-22  2:43 [PATCH RFC] [1/9] Core module symbol namespaces code and intro Andi Kleen
2007-11-22  2:43 ` [PATCH RFC] [2/9] Fix duplicate symbol check to also check future gpl and unused symbols Andi Kleen
2007-11-22  2:43 ` [PATCH RFC] [3/9] modpost: Declare the modpost error functions as printf like Andi Kleen
2007-12-10 18:50   ` Sam Ravnborg
2007-12-10 18:58     ` Andi Kleen
2007-12-12  1:37     ` Rusty Russell
2007-11-22  2:43 ` [PATCH RFC] [4/9] modpost: Fix format string warnings Andi Kleen
2007-12-10 18:50   ` Sam Ravnborg
2007-11-22  2:43 ` [PATCH RFC] [5/9] modpost: Fix a buffer overflow in modpost Andi Kleen
2007-12-10 19:32   ` Sam Ravnborg
2007-12-10 19:57     ` Andi Kleen
2007-12-10 20:07       ` Sam Ravnborg
2007-11-22  2:43 ` [PATCH RFC] [6/9] Implement namespace checking " Andi Kleen
2007-11-22  2:43 ` [PATCH RFC] [7/9] Convert TCP exports into namespaces Andi Kleen
2007-11-22  2:43 ` [PATCH RFC] [8/9] Put UDP exports into a namespace Andi Kleen
2007-11-22  2:43 ` [PATCH RFC] [9/9] Add a inet namespace Andi Kleen
2007-11-22  3:03 ` [PATCH RFC] [1/9] Core module symbol namespaces code and intro Arjan van de Ven
2007-11-22  3:37   ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-22  3:52 ` Dave Jones
2007-11-22  3:56 ` Rusty Russell
2007-11-22  8:41   ` Dave Young
2007-11-22 18:19     ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-23  2:06       ` Dave Young
2007-11-22 11:05   ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-11-23  0:25     ` Rusty Russell
2007-11-23  1:36       ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-23  3:35         ` Rusty Russell
2007-11-23 19:53           ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-24  4:53             ` Rusty Russell
2007-11-24 12:39               ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-26  1:23                 ` Rusty Russell
2007-11-22 11:46   ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-23  0:29     ` Rusty Russell
2007-11-25 20:29       ` Roland Dreier
2007-11-26  1:25         ` Rusty Russell
2007-11-26  5:58           ` Roland Dreier
2007-11-27  4:26             ` Rusty Russell
2007-11-27 10:50               ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-27 13:58                 ` Herbert Xu
2007-11-27 14:12                   ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-27 14:36                     ` Herbert Xu
2007-11-27 20:02                     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-11-28  1:34                 ` Rusty Russell
2007-11-22 11:06 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-11-22 11:54   ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-22 12:03     ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-11-22 12:01 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2007-11-22 18:17   ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-25 20:27 ` Roland Dreier
2007-11-26  1:28   ` Rusty Russell
2007-11-26  6:15     ` Roland Dreier
2007-11-27  4:49       ` Rusty Russell [this message]
2007-11-27  5:35         ` Tom Tucker
2007-11-27  9:02           ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-27 17:24             ` Adrian Bunk
2007-11-27 17:15           ` Adrian Bunk
2007-11-27 17:45             ` Tom Tucker
2007-11-27 18:59               ` Adrian Bunk
2007-11-28  1:27           ` Rusty Russell
2007-11-28  4:12             ` Tom Tucker
2007-11-27 15:43         ` Jonathan Corbet
2007-11-27 15:58           ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-27 16:33           ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-11-27 22:31         ` Jon Masters
2007-11-27 22:37           ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-27 23:00             ` Stephen Hemminger
2007-11-27 23:06               ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-28 16:48                 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-11-28 17:31                   ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-26 18:25     ` Stephen Hemminger
2007-11-26 22:18       ` Roland Dreier
2007-11-27 19:00       ` Dave Jones
2007-11-27 21:09         ` Adrian Bunk
2007-11-27 21:15           ` Rick Jones
2007-11-27 21:38             ` Adrian Bunk
2007-11-28  2:01               ` Rick Jones
2007-11-27 21:25           ` Dave Jones
2007-11-27 23:00           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-11-29 16:53       ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-11-30  2:18         ` Rusty Russell
2007-11-29  9:55 ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-11-29 10:00   ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-29 10:21     ` Arnd Bergmann

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