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* [PATCH] Fake NUMA emulation for PowerPC
@ 2007-12-07 21:14 Balbir Singh
  2007-12-07 21:28 ` Olof Johansson
                   ` (3 more replies)
  0 siblings, 4 replies; 25+ messages in thread
From: Balbir Singh @ 2007-12-07 21:14 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: linuxppc-dev; +Cc: Balbir Singh, LKML



Here's a dumb simple implementation of fake NUMA nodes for PowerPC. Fake
NUMA nodes can be specified using the following command line option

numa=fake=<node range>

node range is of the format <range1>,<range2>,...<rangeN>

Each of the rangeX parameters is passed using memparse(). I find the patch
useful for fake NUMA emulation on my simple PowerPC machine. I've tested it
on a non-numa box with the following arguments

numa=fake=1G
numa=fake=1G,2G
name=fake=1G,512M,2G
numa=fake=1500M,2800M mem=3500M
numa=fake=1G mem=512M
numa=fake=1G mem=1G

This patch applies on top of 2.6.24-rc4.

All though I've tried my best to handle some of the architecture specific
details of PowerPC, I might have overlooked something obvious, like the usage
of an API or some architecture tweaks. The patch depends on CONFIG_NUMA and
I decided against creating a separate config option for fake NUMA to keep
the code simple.

Comments are as always welcome!

Signed-off-by: Balbir Singh <balbir@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
---

 arch/powerpc/mm/numa.c |   55 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++-----
 1 file changed, 50 insertions(+), 5 deletions(-)

diff -puN arch/powerpc/mm/numa.c~ppc-fake-numa-easy arch/powerpc/mm/numa.c
--- linux-2.6.24-rc4-mm1/arch/powerpc/mm/numa.c~ppc-fake-numa-easy	2007-12-07 21:25:55.000000000 +0530
+++ linux-2.6.24-rc4-mm1-balbir/arch/powerpc/mm/numa.c	2007-12-08 02:36:02.000000000 +0530
@@ -24,6 +24,8 @@
 
 static int numa_enabled = 1;
 
+char *cmdline __initdata;
+
 static int numa_debug;
 #define dbg(args...) if (numa_debug) { printk(KERN_INFO args); }
 
@@ -39,6 +41,40 @@ static bootmem_data_t __initdata plat_no
 static int min_common_depth;
 static int n_mem_addr_cells, n_mem_size_cells;
 
+static int __cpuinit fake_numa_create_new_node(unsigned long end_pfn,
+						unsigned int *nid)
+{
+	unsigned long long mem;
+	char *p = cmdline;
+	static unsigned int fake_nid = 0;
+	static unsigned long long curr_boundary = 0;
+
+	*nid = fake_nid;
+	mem = memparse(p, &p);
+	if (!mem)
+		return 0;
+
+	if (mem < curr_boundary)
+		return 0;
+
+	curr_boundary = mem;
+
+	if ((end_pfn << PAGE_SHIFT) > mem) {
+		/*
+		 * Skip commas and spaces
+		 */
+		while (*p == ',' || *p == ' ' || *p == '\t')
+			p++;
+
+		cmdline = p;
+		fake_nid++;
+		*nid = fake_nid;
+		dbg("created new fake_node with id %d\n", fake_nid);
+		return 1;
+	}
+	return 0;
+}
+
 static void __cpuinit map_cpu_to_node(int cpu, int node)
 {
 	numa_cpu_lookup_table[cpu] = node;
@@ -344,12 +380,14 @@ static void __init parse_drconf_memory(s
 			if (nid == 0xffff || nid >= MAX_NUMNODES)
 				nid = default_nid;
 		}
-		node_set_online(nid);
 
 		size = numa_enforce_memory_limit(start, lmb_size);
 		if (!size)
 			continue;
 
+		fake_numa_create_new_node(((start + size) >> PAGE_SHIFT), &nid);
+		node_set_online(nid);
+
 		add_active_range(nid, start >> PAGE_SHIFT,
 				 (start >> PAGE_SHIFT) + (size >> PAGE_SHIFT));
 	}
@@ -429,7 +467,6 @@ new_range:
 		nid = of_node_to_nid_single(memory);
 		if (nid < 0)
 			nid = default_nid;
-		node_set_online(nid);
 
 		if (!(size = numa_enforce_memory_limit(start, size))) {
 			if (--ranges)
@@ -438,6 +475,9 @@ new_range:
 				continue;
 		}
 
+		fake_numa_create_new_node(((start + size) >> PAGE_SHIFT), &nid);
+		node_set_online(nid);
+
 		add_active_range(nid, start >> PAGE_SHIFT,
 				(start >> PAGE_SHIFT) + (size >> PAGE_SHIFT));
 
@@ -461,7 +501,7 @@ static void __init setup_nonnuma(void)
 	unsigned long top_of_ram = lmb_end_of_DRAM();
 	unsigned long total_ram = lmb_phys_mem_size();
 	unsigned long start_pfn, end_pfn;
-	unsigned int i;
+	unsigned int i, nid = 0;
 
 	printk(KERN_DEBUG "Top of RAM: 0x%lx, Total RAM: 0x%lx\n",
 	       top_of_ram, total_ram);
@@ -471,9 +511,11 @@ static void __init setup_nonnuma(void)
 	for (i = 0; i < lmb.memory.cnt; ++i) {
 		start_pfn = lmb.memory.region[i].base >> PAGE_SHIFT;
 		end_pfn = start_pfn + lmb_size_pages(&lmb.memory, i);
-		add_active_range(0, start_pfn, end_pfn);
+
+		fake_numa_create_new_node(end_pfn, &nid);
+		add_active_range(nid, start_pfn, end_pfn);
+		node_set_online(nid);
 	}
-	node_set_online(0);
 }
 
 void __init dump_numa_cpu_topology(void)
@@ -702,6 +744,9 @@ static int __init early_numa(char *p)
 	if (strstr(p, "debug"))
 		numa_debug = 1;
 
+	if (strstr(p, "fake="))
+		cmdline = p + 5;	/* 5 is faster than strlen("fake=") */
+
 	return 0;
 }
 early_param("numa", early_numa);
_

-- 
	Warm Regards,
	Balbir Singh
	Linux Technology Center
	IBM, ISTL

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* Re: [PATCH] Fake NUMA emulation for PowerPC
  2007-12-07 21:14 [PATCH] Fake NUMA emulation for PowerPC Balbir Singh
@ 2007-12-07 21:28 ` Olof Johansson
  2007-12-07 21:35   ` Balbir Singh
  2007-12-07 23:06   ` David Rientjes
  2007-12-07 21:30 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
                   ` (2 subsequent siblings)
  3 siblings, 2 replies; 25+ messages in thread
From: Olof Johansson @ 2007-12-07 21:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Balbir Singh; +Cc: linuxppc-dev, LKML

Hi,

On Sat, Dec 08, 2007 at 02:44:25AM +0530, Balbir Singh wrote:

> Comments are as always welcome!

Care to explain what this is useful for? (Not saying it's a stupid idea,
just wondering what the reason for doing it is).

> diff -puN arch/powerpc/mm/numa.c~ppc-fake-numa-easy arch/powerpc/mm/numa.c
> --- linux-2.6.24-rc4-mm1/arch/powerpc/mm/numa.c~ppc-fake-numa-easy	2007-12-07 21:25:55.000000000 +0530
> +++ linux-2.6.24-rc4-mm1-balbir/arch/powerpc/mm/numa.c	2007-12-08 02:36:02.000000000 +0530
> @@ -24,6 +24,8 @@
>  
>  static int numa_enabled = 1;
>  
> +char *cmdline __initdata;
> +

Looks like this should be static.

> @@ -702,6 +744,9 @@ static int __init early_numa(char *p)
>  	if (strstr(p, "debug"))
>  		numa_debug = 1;
>  
> +	if (strstr(p, "fake="))
> +		cmdline = p + 5;	/* 5 is faster than strlen("fake=") */

This doesn't look right.

You check if it contains fake=, not if it starts with it. So if someone
did: "numa=foo,fake=bar", or even "numa=debug,fake=", things wouldn't
work right.


-Olof

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* Re: [PATCH] Fake NUMA emulation for PowerPC
  2007-12-07 21:14 [PATCH] Fake NUMA emulation for PowerPC Balbir Singh
  2007-12-07 21:28 ` Olof Johansson
@ 2007-12-07 21:30 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
  2007-12-07 21:33   ` Dave Quigley
  2007-12-07 21:35   ` Balbir Singh
  2007-12-07 22:01 ` Arnd Bergmann
  2007-12-07 22:11 ` Nathan Lynch
  3 siblings, 2 replies; 25+ messages in thread
From: Geert Uytterhoeven @ 2007-12-07 21:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Balbir Singh; +Cc: linuxppc-dev, LKML

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On Sat, 8 Dec 2007, Balbir Singh wrote:
> +	if (strstr(p, "fake="))
> +		cmdline = p + 5;	/* 5 is faster than strlen("fake=") */

Really? My gcc is smart enough to replace the `strlen("fake=")' by 5, even
without -O.

With kind regards,
 
Geert Uytterhoeven
Software Architect

Sony Network and Software Technology Center Europe
The Corporate Village · Da Vincilaan 7-D1 · B-1935 Zaventem · Belgium
 
Phone:    +32 (0)2 700 8453	
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* Re: [PATCH] Fake NUMA emulation for PowerPC
  2007-12-07 21:30 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
@ 2007-12-07 21:33   ` Dave Quigley
  2007-12-07 21:35   ` Balbir Singh
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 25+ messages in thread
From: Dave Quigley @ 2007-12-07 21:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Geert Uytterhoeven; +Cc: Balbir Singh, linuxppc-dev, LKML


On Fri, 2007-12-07 at 22:30 +0100, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:
> On Sat, 8 Dec 2007, Balbir Singh wrote:
> > +	if (strstr(p, "fake="))
> > +		cmdline = p + 5;	/* 5 is faster than strlen("fake=") */
> 
> Really? My gcc is smart enough to replace the `strlen("fake=")' by 5, even
> without -O.

If some odd reason it doesn't replace it wouldn't it be smarter to do
sizeof("fake="); It should definitely optimize that away to a constant
value and its less prone to error if the string in strstr changes.

> 
> With kind regards,
>  
> Geert Uytterhoeven
> Software Architect
> 
> Sony Network and Software Technology Center Europe
> The Corporate Village · Da Vincilaan 7-D1 · B-1935 Zaventem · Belgium
>  
> Phone:    +32 (0)2 700 8453	
> Fax:      +32 (0)2 700 8622	
> E-mail:   Geert.Uytterhoeven@sonycom.com	
> Internet: http://www.sony-europe.com/
>  	
> Sony Network and Software Technology Center Europe	
> A division of Sony Service Centre (Europe) N.V.	
> Registered office: Technologielaan 7 · B-1840 Londerzeel · Belgium	
> VAT BE 0413.825.160 · RPR Brussels	
> Fortis Bank Zaventem · Swift GEBABEBB08A · IBAN BE39001382358619


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* Re: [PATCH] Fake NUMA emulation for PowerPC
  2007-12-07 21:28 ` Olof Johansson
@ 2007-12-07 21:35   ` Balbir Singh
  2007-12-07 21:55     ` Kumar Gala
  2007-12-07 23:06   ` David Rientjes
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 25+ messages in thread
From: Balbir Singh @ 2007-12-07 21:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Olof Johansson; +Cc: linuxppc-dev, LKML

Olof Johansson wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On Sat, Dec 08, 2007 at 02:44:25AM +0530, Balbir Singh wrote:
> 
>> Comments are as always welcome!
> 
> Care to explain what this is useful for? (Not saying it's a stupid idea,
> just wondering what the reason for doing it is).
> 

In my case, I use it to test parts of my memory controller patches on an
emulated NUMA machine. I plan to use it to test out page migration
across nodes.

>> diff -puN arch/powerpc/mm/numa.c~ppc-fake-numa-easy arch/powerpc/mm/numa.c
>> --- linux-2.6.24-rc4-mm1/arch/powerpc/mm/numa.c~ppc-fake-numa-easy	2007-12-07 21:25:55.000000000 +0530
>> +++ linux-2.6.24-rc4-mm1-balbir/arch/powerpc/mm/numa.c	2007-12-08 02:36:02.000000000 +0530
>> @@ -24,6 +24,8 @@
>>  
>>  static int numa_enabled = 1;
>>  
>> +char *cmdline __initdata;
>> +
> 
> Looks like this should be static.
> 

Yes, good catch!

>> @@ -702,6 +744,9 @@ static int __init early_numa(char *p)
>>  	if (strstr(p, "debug"))
>>  		numa_debug = 1;
>>  
>> +	if (strstr(p, "fake="))
>> +		cmdline = p + 5;	/* 5 is faster than strlen("fake=") */
> 
> This doesn't look right.
> 
> You check if it contains fake=, not if it starts with it. So if someone
> did: "numa=foo,fake=bar", or even "numa=debug,fake=", things wouldn't
> work right.
> 

Yes, you are right. I merely followed the strstr convention already
present, which as you righly point out is wrong. I suspect I need to do
something like

p = strstr(p, "fake=")
if (p)
	cmdline = p + 5;

This would still allow us to do things like

numa=foo,fake=bar but the memparse() utility would fail at fake=bar
								^^^

or even

numa=debug,fake=1G

I suspect that this should be good enough for a command line option.

> 
> -Olof


-- 
	Thanks,
	Balbir Singh
	Linux Technology Center
	IBM, ISTL

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* Re: [PATCH] Fake NUMA emulation for PowerPC
  2007-12-07 21:30 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
  2007-12-07 21:33   ` Dave Quigley
@ 2007-12-07 21:35   ` Balbir Singh
  2007-12-07 21:43     ` Balbir Singh
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 25+ messages in thread
From: Balbir Singh @ 2007-12-07 21:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Geert Uytterhoeven; +Cc: linuxppc-dev, LKML

Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:
> On Sat, 8 Dec 2007, Balbir Singh wrote:
>> +	if (strstr(p, "fake="))
>> +		cmdline = p + 5;	/* 5 is faster than strlen("fake=") */
> 
> Really? My gcc is smart enough to replace the `strlen("fake=")' by 5, even
> without -O.
> 

Thanks for pointing that out, but I am surprised that a compiler would
interpret library routines like strlen.

> With kind regards,
> 
> Geert Uytterhoeven
> Software Architect


-- 
	Warm Regards,
	Balbir Singh
	Linux Technology Center
	IBM, ISTL

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* Re: [PATCH] Fake NUMA emulation for PowerPC
  2007-12-07 21:35   ` Balbir Singh
@ 2007-12-07 21:43     ` Balbir Singh
  2007-12-07 21:58       ` Arnd Bergmann
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 25+ messages in thread
From: Balbir Singh @ 2007-12-07 21:43 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Geert Uytterhoeven; +Cc: linuxppc-dev, LKML

Balbir Singh wrote:
> Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:
>> On Sat, 8 Dec 2007, Balbir Singh wrote:
>>> +	if (strstr(p, "fake="))
>>> +		cmdline = p + 5;	/* 5 is faster than strlen("fake=") */
>> Really? My gcc is smart enough to replace the `strlen("fake=")' by 5, even
>> without -O.
>>
> 
> Thanks for pointing that out, but I am surprised that a compiler would
> interpret library routines like strlen.
> 

I just tested it and it turns out that you are right. I'll go hunt to
see where gcc gets its magic powers from.

>> With kind regards,
>>
>> Geert Uytterhoeven
>> Software Architect
> 
> 



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* Re: [PATCH] Fake NUMA emulation for PowerPC
  2007-12-07 21:35   ` Balbir Singh
@ 2007-12-07 21:55     ` Kumar Gala
  2007-12-07 22:12       ` Balbir Singh
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 25+ messages in thread
From: Kumar Gala @ 2007-12-07 21:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: balbir; +Cc: Olof Johansson, linuxppc-dev, LKML


On Dec 7, 2007, at 3:35 PM, Balbir Singh wrote:

> Olof Johansson wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 08, 2007 at 02:44:25AM +0530, Balbir Singh wrote:
>>
>>> Comments are as always welcome!
>>
>> Care to explain what this is useful for? (Not saying it's a stupid  
>> idea,
>> just wondering what the reason for doing it is).
>>
>
> In my case, I use it to test parts of my memory controller patches  
> on an
> emulated NUMA machine. I plan to use it to test out page migration
> across nodes.

Can you explain that further.  I'm still not clear on why this is  
useful.

- k

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* Re: [PATCH] Fake NUMA emulation for PowerPC
  2007-12-07 21:43     ` Balbir Singh
@ 2007-12-07 21:58       ` Arnd Bergmann
  2007-12-07 22:03         ` Balbir Singh
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 25+ messages in thread
From: Arnd Bergmann @ 2007-12-07 21:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: linuxppc-dev, balbir; +Cc: Geert Uytterhoeven, LKML

On Friday 07 December 2007, Balbir Singh wrote:
> Balbir Singh wrote:
> > Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:
> >> On Sat, 8 Dec 2007, Balbir Singh wrote:
> >>> +   if (strstr(p, "fake="))
> >>> +           cmdline = p + 5;        /* 5 is faster than strlen("fake=") */
> >> Really? My gcc is smart enough to replace the `strlen("fake=")' by 5, even
> >> without -O.
> >>
> > 
> > Thanks for pointing that out, but I am surprised that a compiler would
> > interpret library routines like strlen.
> > 
> 
> I just tested it and it turns out that you are right. I'll go hunt to
> see where gcc gets its magic powers from.
> 

Even if it wasn't: Why the heck would you want to optimize this? The function
is run _once_ at boot time and the object code gets thrown away afterwards!

	Arnd <><

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* Re: [PATCH] Fake NUMA emulation for PowerPC
  2007-12-07 21:14 [PATCH] Fake NUMA emulation for PowerPC Balbir Singh
  2007-12-07 21:28 ` Olof Johansson
  2007-12-07 21:30 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
@ 2007-12-07 22:01 ` Arnd Bergmann
  2007-12-07 22:22   ` Balbir Singh
  2007-12-07 22:11 ` Nathan Lynch
  3 siblings, 1 reply; 25+ messages in thread
From: Arnd Bergmann @ 2007-12-07 22:01 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: linuxppc-dev; +Cc: Balbir Singh, LKML

On Friday 07 December 2007, Balbir Singh wrote:
> Here's a dumb simple implementation of fake NUMA nodes for PowerPC. Fake
> NUMA nodes can be specified using the following command line option
> 
> numa=fake=<node range>
> 
> node range is of the format <range1>,<range2>,...<rangeN>

Excellent idea! I'd love to have this in RHEL5u1, because that would make
that distro boot on certain machines that have more memory than is supported
without an iommu driver. The problem we have is that when you simply
say mem=1G but all of the first gigabyte is on the first node, you end
up with a memoryless node, which is not supported.

Unfortunately, it comes too late for me now, as all new distros already boot
on Cell machines that need an IOMMU.

	Arnd <><

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* Re: [PATCH] Fake NUMA emulation for PowerPC
  2007-12-07 21:58       ` Arnd Bergmann
@ 2007-12-07 22:03         ` Balbir Singh
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 25+ messages in thread
From: Balbir Singh @ 2007-12-07 22:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Arnd Bergmann; +Cc: linuxppc-dev, Geert Uytterhoeven, LKML

Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> On Friday 07 December 2007, Balbir Singh wrote:
>> Balbir Singh wrote:
>>> Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 8 Dec 2007, Balbir Singh wrote:
>>>>> +   if (strstr(p, "fake="))
>>>>> +           cmdline = p + 5;        /* 5 is faster than strlen("fake=") */
>>>> Really? My gcc is smart enough to replace the `strlen("fake=")' by 5, even
>>>> without -O.
>>>>
>>> Thanks for pointing that out, but I am surprised that a compiler would
>>> interpret library routines like strlen.
>>>
>> I just tested it and it turns out that you are right. I'll go hunt to
>> see where gcc gets its magic powers from.
>>
> 
> Even if it wasn't: Why the heck would you want to optimize this? The function
> is run _once_ at boot time and the object code gets thrown away afterwards!
> 
> 	Arnd <><

Cause, I see no downside of doing it. The strlen of fake= is fixed.
But having said that, I am not a purist about the approach, I just want
cmdline to point after "fake="

-- 
	Warm Regards,
	Balbir Singh
	Linux Technology Center
	IBM, ISTL

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* Re: [PATCH] Fake NUMA emulation for PowerPC
  2007-12-07 21:14 [PATCH] Fake NUMA emulation for PowerPC Balbir Singh
                   ` (2 preceding siblings ...)
  2007-12-07 22:01 ` Arnd Bergmann
@ 2007-12-07 22:11 ` Nathan Lynch
  2007-12-07 22:26   ` Balbir Singh
  3 siblings, 1 reply; 25+ messages in thread
From: Nathan Lynch @ 2007-12-07 22:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Balbir Singh; +Cc: linuxppc-dev, LKML

Hi Balbir-

Balbir Singh wrote:
> 
> 
> Here's a dumb simple implementation of fake NUMA nodes for PowerPC. Fake
> NUMA nodes can be specified using the following command line option
> 
> numa=fake=<node range>
> 
> node range is of the format <range1>,<range2>,...<rangeN>
> 
> Each of the rangeX parameters is passed using memparse(). I find the patch
> useful for fake NUMA emulation on my simple PowerPC machine. I've tested it
> on a non-numa box with the following arguments
> 
> numa=fake=1G
> numa=fake=1G,2G
> name=fake=1G,512M,2G
> numa=fake=1500M,2800M mem=3500M
> numa=fake=1G mem=512M
> numa=fake=1G mem=1G

So this doesn't appear to allow one to assign cpus to fake nodes?  Do
all cpus just get assigned to node 0 with numa=fake?

A different approach that occurs to me is to use kexec with a doctored
device tree (i.e. with the ibm,associativity properties modified to
reflect your desired topology).  Perhaps a little bit obscure, but it
seems more flexible.


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* Re: [PATCH] Fake NUMA emulation for PowerPC
  2007-12-07 21:55     ` Kumar Gala
@ 2007-12-07 22:12       ` Balbir Singh
  2007-12-07 22:15         ` Kumar Gala
  2007-12-07 23:10         ` David Rientjes
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 25+ messages in thread
From: Balbir Singh @ 2007-12-07 22:12 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Kumar Gala; +Cc: Olof Johansson, linuxppc-dev, LKML

Kumar Gala wrote:
> 
> On Dec 7, 2007, at 3:35 PM, Balbir Singh wrote:
> 
>> Olof Johansson wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> On Sat, Dec 08, 2007 at 02:44:25AM +0530, Balbir Singh wrote:
>>>
>>>> Comments are as always welcome!
>>>
>>> Care to explain what this is useful for? (Not saying it's a stupid idea,
>>> just wondering what the reason for doing it is).
>>>
>>
>> In my case, I use it to test parts of my memory controller patches on an
>> emulated NUMA machine. I plan to use it to test out page migration
>> across nodes.
> 
> Can you explain that further.  I'm still not clear on why this is useful.
> 
> - k

Sure. In my case I need to emulate NUMA nodes to do some NUMA specific
testing. The memory controller I've written has some interesting data
structures like per node, per zone LRU lists. To be able to test those
features on a non-numa box is a problem, since we get just the default node.

To be able to test the memory controller under NUMA, I use fake NUMA
nodes. x86-64 has a similar feature, the code I have here is the
simplest I could come up with for PowerPC.

I just thought of another very interesting use case, it can be used to
split up the zone's lru lock which is highly contended.

-- 
	Warm Regards,
	Balbir Singh
	Linux Technology Center
	IBM, ISTL

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* Re: [PATCH] Fake NUMA emulation for PowerPC
  2007-12-07 22:12       ` Balbir Singh
@ 2007-12-07 22:15         ` Kumar Gala
  2007-12-07 22:18           ` Balbir Singh
  2007-12-07 23:10         ` David Rientjes
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 25+ messages in thread
From: Kumar Gala @ 2007-12-07 22:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: balbir; +Cc: Olof Johansson, linuxppc-dev, LKML


On Dec 7, 2007, at 4:12 PM, Balbir Singh wrote:

> Kumar Gala wrote:
>>
>> On Dec 7, 2007, at 3:35 PM, Balbir Singh wrote:
>>
>>> Olof Johansson wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Dec 08, 2007 at 02:44:25AM +0530, Balbir Singh wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Comments are as always welcome!
>>>>
>>>> Care to explain what this is useful for? (Not saying it's a  
>>>> stupid idea,
>>>> just wondering what the reason for doing it is).
>>>>
>>>
>>> In my case, I use it to test parts of my memory controller patches  
>>> on an
>>> emulated NUMA machine. I plan to use it to test out page migration
>>> across nodes.
>>
>> Can you explain that further.  I'm still not clear on why this is  
>> useful.
>>
>> - k
>
> Sure. In my case I need to emulate NUMA nodes to do some NUMA specific
> testing. The memory controller I've written has some interesting data
> structures like per node, per zone LRU lists. To be able to test those
> features on a non-numa box is a problem, since we get just the  
> default node.

Maybe I'm missing something, what do you mean by memory controller  
you've written?  (I'm use to the term 'memory controller' meaning the  
actual RAM control).

> To be able to test the memory controller under NUMA, I use fake NUMA
> nodes. x86-64 has a similar feature, the code I have here is the
> simplest I could come up with for PowerPC.
>
> I just thought of another very interesting use case, it can be used to
> split up the zone's lru lock which is highly contended.

- k

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* Re: [PATCH] Fake NUMA emulation for PowerPC
  2007-12-07 22:15         ` Kumar Gala
@ 2007-12-07 22:18           ` Balbir Singh
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 25+ messages in thread
From: Balbir Singh @ 2007-12-07 22:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Kumar Gala; +Cc: Olof Johansson, linuxppc-dev, LKML

Kumar Gala wrote:
> 
> On Dec 7, 2007, at 4:12 PM, Balbir Singh wrote:
> 
>> Kumar Gala wrote:
>>>
>>> On Dec 7, 2007, at 3:35 PM, Balbir Singh wrote:
>>>
>>>> Olof Johansson wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Dec 08, 2007 at 02:44:25AM +0530, Balbir Singh wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Comments are as always welcome!
>>>>>
>>>>> Care to explain what this is useful for? (Not saying it's a stupid
>>>>> idea,
>>>>> just wondering what the reason for doing it is).
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In my case, I use it to test parts of my memory controller patches
>>>> on an
>>>> emulated NUMA machine. I plan to use it to test out page migration
>>>> across nodes.
>>>
>>> Can you explain that further.  I'm still not clear on why this is
>>> useful.
>>>
>>> - k
>>
>> Sure. In my case I need to emulate NUMA nodes to do some NUMA specific
>> testing. The memory controller I've written has some interesting data
>> structures like per node, per zone LRU lists. To be able to test those
>> features on a non-numa box is a problem, since we get just the default
>> node.
> 
> Maybe I'm missing something, what do you mean by memory controller
> you've written?  (I'm use to the term 'memory controller' meaning the
> actual RAM control).
> 

Ah! that explains the disconnect. If you look at the latest -mm tree. We
have a memory controller under control groups, we use it to control how
much memory a group of process can access at a time.

>> To be able to test the memory controller under NUMA, I use fake NUMA
>> nodes. x86-64 has a similar feature, the code I have here is the
>> simplest I could come up with for PowerPC.
>>
>> I just thought of another very interesting use case, it can be used to
>> split up the zone's lru lock which is highly contended.
> 
> - k


-- 
	Warm Regards,
	Balbir Singh
	Linux Technology Center
	IBM, ISTL

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* Re: [PATCH] Fake NUMA emulation for PowerPC
  2007-12-07 22:01 ` Arnd Bergmann
@ 2007-12-07 22:22   ` Balbir Singh
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 25+ messages in thread
From: Balbir Singh @ 2007-12-07 22:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Arnd Bergmann; +Cc: linuxppc-dev, LKML

Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> On Friday 07 December 2007, Balbir Singh wrote:
>> Here's a dumb simple implementation of fake NUMA nodes for PowerPC. Fake
>> NUMA nodes can be specified using the following command line option
>>
>> numa=fake=<node range>
>>
>> node range is of the format <range1>,<range2>,...<rangeN>
> 
> Excellent idea! I'd love to have this in RHEL5u1, because that would make
> that distro boot on certain machines that have more memory than is supported
> without an iommu driver. The problem we have is that when you simply
> say mem=1G but all of the first gigabyte is on the first node, you end
> up with a memoryless node, which is not supported.
> 
> Unfortunately, it comes too late for me now, as all new distros already boot
> on Cell machines that need an IOMMU.

Very interesting use case! I am sure there are others were fake NUMA
nodes can be applied. I just listed one other in another email, apart
from using it for playing around with NUMA like machines.

-- 
	Warm Regards,
	Balbir Singh
	Linux Technology Center
	IBM, ISTL

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* Re: [PATCH] Fake NUMA emulation for PowerPC
  2007-12-07 22:11 ` Nathan Lynch
@ 2007-12-07 22:26   ` Balbir Singh
  2007-12-07 23:11     ` David Rientjes
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 25+ messages in thread
From: Balbir Singh @ 2007-12-07 22:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Nathan Lynch; +Cc: linuxppc-dev, LKML

Nathan Lynch wrote:
> Hi Balbir-
> 
> Balbir Singh wrote:
>>
>> Here's a dumb simple implementation of fake NUMA nodes for PowerPC. Fake
>> NUMA nodes can be specified using the following command line option
>>
>> numa=fake=<node range>
>>
>> node range is of the format <range1>,<range2>,...<rangeN>
>>
>> Each of the rangeX parameters is passed using memparse(). I find the patch
>> useful for fake NUMA emulation on my simple PowerPC machine. I've tested it
>> on a non-numa box with the following arguments
>>
>> numa=fake=1G
>> numa=fake=1G,2G
>> name=fake=1G,512M,2G
>> numa=fake=1500M,2800M mem=3500M
>> numa=fake=1G mem=512M
>> numa=fake=1G mem=1G
> 
> So this doesn't appear to allow one to assign cpus to fake nodes?  Do
> all cpus just get assigned to node 0 with numa=fake?
> 

Yes, they all appear on node 0. We could have tweaks to distribute CPU's
as well.

> A different approach that occurs to me is to use kexec with a doctored
> device tree (i.e. with the ibm,associativity properties modified to
> reflect your desired topology).  Perhaps a little bit obscure, but it
> seems more flexible.
> 

That would be interesting, but it always means that we need to run
kexec, which might involve two boots.

-- 
	Warm Regards,
	Balbir Singh
	Linux Technology Center
	IBM, ISTL

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* Re: [PATCH] Fake NUMA emulation for PowerPC
  2007-12-07 21:28 ` Olof Johansson
  2007-12-07 21:35   ` Balbir Singh
@ 2007-12-07 23:06   ` David Rientjes
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 25+ messages in thread
From: David Rientjes @ 2007-12-07 23:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Olof Johansson; +Cc: Balbir Singh, linuxppc-dev, LKML

On Fri, 7 Dec 2007, Olof Johansson wrote:

> > Comments are as always welcome!
> 
> Care to explain what this is useful for? (Not saying it's a stupid idea,
> just wondering what the reason for doing it is).
> 

Fake NUMA has always been useful for testing NUMA code without having to 
have a wide range of hardware available to you.  It's a clever tool on 
x86_64 intended for kernel developers that simply makes it easier to test 
code and adds an increased level of robustness to the kernel.  I think 
it's a valuable addition.

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* Re: [PATCH] Fake NUMA emulation for PowerPC
  2007-12-07 22:12       ` Balbir Singh
  2007-12-07 22:15         ` Kumar Gala
@ 2007-12-07 23:10         ` David Rientjes
  2007-12-08  4:22           ` Balbir Singh
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 25+ messages in thread
From: David Rientjes @ 2007-12-07 23:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Balbir Singh; +Cc: Kumar Gala, Olof Johansson, linuxppc-dev, magnus.damm, LKML

On Sat, 8 Dec 2007, Balbir Singh wrote:

> To be able to test the memory controller under NUMA, I use fake NUMA
> nodes. x86-64 has a similar feature, the code I have here is the
> simplest I could come up with for PowerPC.
> 

Magnus Damm had patches from over a year ago that, I believe, made much of 
the x86_64 fake NUMA code generic so that it could be extended for 
architectures such as i386.  Perhaps he could resurrect those patches if 
there is wider interest in such a tool.

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* Re: [PATCH] Fake NUMA emulation for PowerPC
  2007-12-07 22:26   ` Balbir Singh
@ 2007-12-07 23:11     ` David Rientjes
  2007-12-08  4:32       ` Balbir Singh
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 25+ messages in thread
From: David Rientjes @ 2007-12-07 23:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Balbir Singh; +Cc: Nathan Lynch, linuxppc-dev, LKML

On Sat, 8 Dec 2007, Balbir Singh wrote:

> Yes, they all appear on node 0. We could have tweaks to distribute CPU's
> as well.
> 

You're going to want to distribute the cpu's based on how they match up 
physically with the actual platform that you're running on.  x86_64 does 
this already and it makes fake NUMA more useful because it matches the 
real-life case more often.

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* Re: [PATCH] Fake NUMA emulation for PowerPC
  2007-12-07 23:10         ` David Rientjes
@ 2007-12-08  4:22           ` Balbir Singh
  2007-12-09 13:16             ` Pavel Machek
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 25+ messages in thread
From: Balbir Singh @ 2007-12-08  4:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: David Rientjes
  Cc: Kumar Gala, Olof Johansson, linuxppc-dev, magnus.damm, LKML

David Rientjes wrote:
> On Sat, 8 Dec 2007, Balbir Singh wrote:
> 
>> To be able to test the memory controller under NUMA, I use fake NUMA
>> nodes. x86-64 has a similar feature, the code I have here is the
>> simplest I could come up with for PowerPC.
>>
> 
> Magnus Damm had patches from over a year ago that, I believe, made much of 
> the x86_64 fake NUMA code generic so that it could be extended for 
> architectures such as i386.  Perhaps he could resurrect those patches if 
> there is wider interest in such a tool.

That would be a very interesting patch, but what I have here is the
simplest patch and we could build on it incrementally. The interface is
non-standard but it does amazing things for 59 lines of code change.


-- 
	Warm Regards,
	Balbir Singh
	Linux Technology Center
	IBM, ISTL

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* Re: [PATCH] Fake NUMA emulation for PowerPC
  2007-12-07 23:11     ` David Rientjes
@ 2007-12-08  4:32       ` Balbir Singh
  2007-12-08  4:45         ` David Rientjes
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 25+ messages in thread
From: Balbir Singh @ 2007-12-08  4:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: David Rientjes; +Cc: linuxppc-dev, Nathan Lynch, LKML

David Rientjes wrote:
> On Sat, 8 Dec 2007, Balbir Singh wrote:
> 
>> Yes, they all appear on node 0. We could have tweaks to distribute CPU's
>> as well.
>>
> 
> You're going to want to distribute the cpu's based on how they match up 
> physically with the actual platform that you're running on.  x86_64 does 

Could you explain this better, how does it match up CPU's with fake NUMA
memory? Is there some smartness there? I'll try and look at the code and
also see what I can do for PowerPC

> this already and it makes fake NUMA more useful because it matches the 
> real-life case more often.

Yes, I agree, but I don't want that to be the first step for fake NUMA
nodes on PowerPC. I think we can incrementally add features.

-- 
	Warm Regards,
	Balbir Singh
	Linux Technology Center
	IBM, ISTL

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* Re: [PATCH] Fake NUMA emulation for PowerPC
  2007-12-08  4:32       ` Balbir Singh
@ 2007-12-08  4:45         ` David Rientjes
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 25+ messages in thread
From: David Rientjes @ 2007-12-08  4:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Balbir Singh; +Cc: linuxppc-dev, Nathan Lynch, LKML

On Sat, 8 Dec 2007, Balbir Singh wrote:

> > You're going to want to distribute the cpu's based on how they match up 
> > physically with the actual platform that you're running on.  x86_64 does 
> 
> Could you explain this better, how does it match up CPU's with fake NUMA
> memory? Is there some smartness there? I'll try and look at the code and
> also see what I can do for PowerPC
> 

numa_cpumask_lookup_table[] would return the correct cpumask for the fake 
node index.  Then all the code that uses node_to_cpumask() in generic 
kernel code like the scheduler and VM still preserve their true NUMA 
affinity that matches the underlying hardware.  I tried to make x86_64 
fake NUMA as close to the real thing as possible.

You also probably want to make all you changes dependent on 
CONFIG_NUMA_EMU like the x86_64 case.  That'll probably be helpful as you 
extend this tool more and more.

		David

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* Re: [PATCH] Fake NUMA emulation for PowerPC
  2007-12-08  4:22           ` Balbir Singh
@ 2007-12-09 13:16             ` Pavel Machek
  2007-12-09 13:20               ` Balbir Singh
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 25+ messages in thread
From: Pavel Machek @ 2007-12-09 13:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Balbir Singh
  Cc: David Rientjes, Kumar Gala, Olof Johansson, linuxppc-dev,
	magnus.damm, LKML


On Sat 2007-12-08 09:52:06, Balbir Singh wrote:
> David Rientjes wrote:
> > On Sat, 8 Dec 2007, Balbir Singh wrote:
> > 
> >> To be able to test the memory controller under NUMA, I use fake NUMA
> >> nodes. x86-64 has a similar feature, the code I have here is the
> >> simplest I could come up with for PowerPC.
> >>
> > 
> > Magnus Damm had patches from over a year ago that, I believe, made much of 
> > the x86_64 fake NUMA code generic so that it could be extended for 
> > architectures such as i386.  Perhaps he could resurrect those patches if 
> > there is wider interest in such a tool.
> 
> That would be a very interesting patch, but what I have here is the
> simplest patch and we could build on it incrementally. The interface is
> non-standard but it does amazing things for 59 lines of code change.

Well, maybe it is amazing, but having non-standard interface is also
wrong...

-- 
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(cesky, pictures) http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pavel/picture/horses/blog.html

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* Re: [PATCH] Fake NUMA emulation for PowerPC
  2007-12-09 13:16             ` Pavel Machek
@ 2007-12-09 13:20               ` Balbir Singh
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 25+ messages in thread
From: Balbir Singh @ 2007-12-09 13:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Pavel Machek; +Cc: LKML, linuxppc-dev, David Rientjes, Olof Johansson

Pavel Machek wrote:
> On Sat 2007-12-08 09:52:06, Balbir Singh wrote:
>> David Rientjes wrote:
>>> On Sat, 8 Dec 2007, Balbir Singh wrote:
>>>
>>>> To be able to test the memory controller under NUMA, I use fake NUMA
>>>> nodes. x86-64 has a similar feature, the code I have here is the
>>>> simplest I could come up with for PowerPC.
>>>>
>>> Magnus Damm had patches from over a year ago that, I believe, made much of 
>>> the x86_64 fake NUMA code generic so that it could be extended for 
>>> architectures such as i386.  Perhaps he could resurrect those patches if 
>>> there is wider interest in such a tool.
>> That would be a very interesting patch, but what I have here is the
>> simplest patch and we could build on it incrementally. The interface is
>> non-standard but it does amazing things for 59 lines of code change.
> 
> Well, maybe it is amazing, but having non-standard interface is also
> wrong...
> 

I tend to agree with you, but in this case it's mostly debug
infrastructure that is architecture specific.

-- 
	Warm Regards,
	Balbir Singh
	Linux Technology Center
	IBM, ISTL

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