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From: Andreas Dilger <adilger@sun.com>
To: Bodo Eggert <7eggert@gmx.de>
Cc: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu, David Chinner <dgc@sgi.com>,
	Valerie Henson <val@vahconsulting.com>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>,
	Andreas Dilger <adilger@clusterfs.com>, Ric Wheeler <ric@emc.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC] Parallelize IO for e2fsck
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 15:07:39 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080124220738.GM18433@webber.adilger.int> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1JI5vz-0001GG-Vs@be1.7eggert.dyndns.org>

On Jan 24, 2008  18:32 +0100, Bodo Eggert wrote:
> I think a single, system-wide signal is the second-to worst solution: All
> applications (or the wrong one, if you select one) would free their caches
> and start to crawl, and either stay in this state or slowly increase their
> caches again until they get signaled again. And the signal would either
> come too early or too late. The userspace daemon could collect the weighted
> demand of memory from all applications and tell them how much to use.

Well, sending a few signals (maybe to the top 5 processes in the OOM killer
list) is still a LOT better than OOM-killing them without warning...  That
way important system processes could be taught to understand SIGDANGER and
maybe do something about it instead of being killed, and if Firefox and
other memory hungry processes flush some of their cache it is not fatal.

I wouldn't think that SIGDANGER means "free all of your cache", since the
memory usage clearly wasn't a problem a few seconds previously, so as
an application writer I'd code it as "flush the oldest 10% of my cache"
or similar, and the kernel could send SIGDANGER again (or kill the real
offender) if the memory usage again becomes an issue.

Cheers, Andreas
--
Andreas Dilger
Sr. Staff Engineer, Lustre Group
Sun Microsystems of Canada, Inc.


  reply	other threads:[~2008-01-24 22:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2008-01-24 17:32             ` [RFC] Parallelize IO for e2fsck Bodo Eggert
2008-01-24 22:07               ` Andreas Dilger [this message]
2008-01-24 23:08               ` Adrian Bunk
2008-01-24 23:40                 ` Theodore Tso
2008-01-25  0:25                   ` Zan Lynx
2008-01-25 11:09                     ` Andreas Dilger
2008-01-26  0:55                       ` Zan Lynx
2008-01-26 11:56                         ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2008-01-26 12:32                   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2008-01-26 13:55                     ` Kernel Event Notifications (was: [RFC] Parallelize IO for e2fsck) Al Boldi
2008-01-26 16:01                       ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2008-01-28 23:28                       ` Jon Masters
2008-02-03 13:38                         ` KOSAKI Motohiro
     [not found] <alpine.LSU.0.999.0801252338460.26260@be1.lrz>
2008-01-26  1:55 ` [RFC] Parallelize IO for e2fsck Bryan Henderson
2008-01-26 13:21   ` Theodore Tso
     [not found] <70b6f0bf0801161322k2740a8dch6a0d6e6e112cd2d0@mail.gmail.com>
2008-01-16 21:30 ` Valerie Henson
2008-01-18  1:15   ` David Chinner
2008-01-18  1:43     ` Valerie Henson
2008-01-21 23:00   ` Andreas Dilger
2008-01-22  3:38     ` David Chinner
2008-01-22  4:17       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2008-01-22  7:00         ` Andreas Dilger
2008-01-22 13:05           ` Alan Cox
2008-01-22 14:40           ` Theodore Tso
2008-01-22 14:57             ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2008-01-28 19:30             ` Pavel Machek
2008-01-28 19:56               ` Theodore Tso
2008-01-28 20:01                 ` Pavel Machek
2008-02-03 13:51                   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2008-01-29  8:29                 ` david
2008-01-22  7:05       ` Andreas Dilger
2008-01-22  8:16         ` David Chinner
2008-01-22 17:42       ` Bryan Henderson

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