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From: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
To: Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>,
	Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu, David Chinner <dgc@sgi.com>,
	Valerie Henson <val@vahconsulting.com>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Andreas Dilger <adilger@clusterfs.com>, Ric Wheeler <ric@emc.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC] Parallelize IO for e2fsck
Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 19:30:05 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080128193005.GC4032@ucw.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080122144052.GC17804@mit.edu>

Hi!

> It's been discussed before, but I suspect the main reason why it was
> never done is no one submitted a patch.  Also, the problem is actually
> a pretty complex one.  There are a couple of different stages where
> you might want to send an alert to processes:
> 
>     * Data is starting to get ejected from page/buffer cache
>     * System is starting to swap
>     * System is starting to really struggle to find memory
>     * System is starting an out-of-memory killer
> 
> AIX's SIGDANGER really did the last two, where the OOM killer would
> tend to avoid processes that had a SIGDANGER handler in favor of
> processes that were SIGDANGER unaware.
> 
> Then there is the additional complexity in Linux that you have
> multiple zones of memory, which at least on the historically more
> popular x86 was highly, highly important.  You could say that whenever
> there is sufficient memory pressure in any zone that you start
> ejecting data from caches or start to swap that you start sending the
> signals --- but on x86 systems with lowmem, that could happen quite
> frequently, and since a user process has no idea whether its resources
> are in lowmem or highmem, there's not much you can do about this.

As user pages are always in highmem, this should be easy to decide:
only send SIGDANGER when highmem is full. (Yes, there are
inodes/dentries/file descriptors in lowmem, but I doubt apps will
respond to SIGDANGER by closing files).
-- 
(english) http://www.livejournal.com/~pavelmachek
(cesky, pictures) http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pavel/picture/horses/blog.html

  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-01-28 19:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <70b6f0bf0801161322k2740a8dch6a0d6e6e112cd2d0@mail.gmail.com>
2008-01-16 21:30 ` [RFC] Parallelize IO for e2fsck Valerie Henson
2008-01-18  1:15   ` David Chinner
2008-01-18  1:43     ` Valerie Henson
2008-01-21 23:00   ` Andreas Dilger
2008-01-22  3:38     ` David Chinner
2008-01-22  4:17       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2008-01-22  7:00         ` Andreas Dilger
2008-01-22 13:05           ` Alan Cox
2008-01-22 14:40           ` Theodore Tso
2008-01-22 14:57             ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2008-01-28 19:30             ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2008-01-28 19:56               ` Theodore Tso
2008-01-28 20:01                 ` Pavel Machek
2008-02-03 13:51                   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2008-01-29  8:29                 ` david
2008-01-22  7:05       ` Andreas Dilger
2008-01-22  8:16         ` David Chinner
2008-01-22 17:42       ` Bryan Henderson
     [not found] <9Mo9w-7Ws-25@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found] ` <9Mo9w-7Ws-23@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]   ` <9OdWm-7uN-25@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]     ` <9Oi9A-5EJ-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]       ` <9OiMg-6IC-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]         ` <9OlqL-2xG-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]           ` <9Orda-3ub-45@gated-at.bofh.it>
2008-01-24 17:32             ` Bodo Eggert
2008-01-24 22:07               ` Andreas Dilger
2008-01-24 23:08               ` Adrian Bunk
2008-01-24 23:40                 ` Theodore Tso
2008-01-25  0:25                   ` Zan Lynx
2008-01-25 11:09                     ` Andreas Dilger
2008-01-26  0:55                       ` Zan Lynx
2008-01-26 11:56                         ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2008-01-26 12:32                   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
     [not found] <alpine.LSU.0.999.0801252338460.26260@be1.lrz>
2008-01-26  1:55 ` Bryan Henderson
2008-01-26 13:21   ` Theodore Tso

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