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From: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>
To: Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>
Cc: Stephen Rothwell <sfr@canb.auug.org.au>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-next@vger.kernel.org, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linus <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: Announce: Linux-next (Or Andrew's dream  :-))
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 20:31:46 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080211203146.3d28d1a0@laptopd505.fenrus.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080212042133.GA4625@kroah.com>

On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 20:21:33 -0800
Greg KH <greg@kroah.com> wrote:


> > The maintainer will be notified.  I hope to provide some clue as to
> > what the conflict is with, but probably not initially.
> > 
> > I will attempt to build the tree between each merge (and a failed
> > build will again cause the offending tree to be dropped).
> 
> This is going to get really interesting, especially when (not if) we
> do more global api changes.  Look at the last round of kobject
> changes. That touched a lot of different places, and other trees
> ended up not building because of it, because I changed apis and they
> had added new code based on the old apis.
> 
> I think the only way to fix this is not going to just "drop the tree"
> like you are suggesting, but to let both people know (the person who
> caused the change, and the person who's tree broke after the merge),
> and then either add a "fixup patch" for the build like Andrew has been
> doing, or disabling something from the build section.
> 

in my experience, the only chance you have is doing API changes as first in the set of changes,
and then hoping (making) all other trees use the new APIs. Any other order just turns into
an impossible mismash.

I can see the point of doing an LKML annouce of the new API after the series is done, so that 
all other maintainers have a chance to fix their trees (this of course is only for new occurances
of the old api showing up; the api change series should convert all existing users)

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  reply	other threads:[~2008-02-12  4:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 215+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-02-12  1:02 Announce: Linux-next (Or Andrew's dream :-)) Stephen Rothwell
2008-02-12  1:36 ` James Bottomley
2008-02-12  2:23   ` Stephen Rothwell
2008-02-12  3:32     ` James Bottomley
2008-02-12  2:25 ` Stephen Rothwell
2008-02-13 12:53   ` Frank Seidel
2008-02-19  0:45     ` Frank Seidel
2008-02-13 20:24   ` Ann Davis
2008-02-13 20:57     ` Adrian Bunk
2008-02-12  4:21 ` Greg KH
2008-02-12  4:31   ` Arjan van de Ven [this message]
2008-02-12  4:43     ` Greg KH
2008-02-12  5:17       ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-02-12  5:53         ` Greg KH
2008-02-12  6:07           ` David Miller
2008-02-12 16:31             ` Jeff Garzik
2008-02-12 17:04               ` John W. Linville
2008-02-12 18:11                 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-02-13  0:12                 ` David Miller
2008-02-12 19:37               ` J. Bruce Fields
2008-02-12 20:07                 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-13  0:50                   ` David Miller
2008-02-13  1:31                     ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-13  1:38                       ` David Miller
2008-02-13  1:57                         ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-13  2:06                           ` Andrew Morton
2008-02-13  2:18                             ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-13  2:20                             ` David Miller
2008-02-13  2:47                               ` Joel Becker
2008-02-13 15:06                                 ` John W. Linville
2008-02-13 16:45                                   ` Joel Becker
2008-02-13  4:25                       ` J. Bruce Fields
2008-02-13  5:43                         ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-13 17:52                           ` J. Bruce Fields
2008-02-14 17:35                             ` Benny Halevy
2008-02-15 17:15                               ` J. Bruce Fields
2008-02-12 23:51               ` David Miller
2008-02-12 23:54                 ` Al Viro
2008-02-13  0:16                   ` J. Bruce Fields
2008-02-13  0:48                     ` Al Viro
2008-02-13  0:56                       ` J. Bruce Fields
2008-02-13  0:59                       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-13  1:25                         ` Al Viro
2008-02-12 15:07           ` James Bottomley
2008-02-12 15:32             ` Benny Halevy
2008-02-12 16:00               ` James Bottomley
2008-02-12  6:11         ` David Miller
2008-02-12  6:21           ` Harvey Harrison
2008-02-12 16:36           ` Jeff Garzik
2008-02-12 16:46             ` Benny Halevy
2008-02-12 17:03             ` James Bottomley
2008-02-12 17:09             ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-12 17:38               ` Roland Dreier
2008-02-12 17:41               ` James Bottomley
2008-02-12 17:53                 ` Benny Halevy
2008-02-12 18:36                   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-12 19:25                     ` Benny Halevy
2008-02-12 18:00                 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-12 18:24                   ` James Bottomley
2008-02-12 18:48                     ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-12 18:59                       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-12 19:19                         ` Greg KH
2008-02-13 10:05                           ` Russell King
2008-02-13 12:06                             ` Jeff Garzik
2008-02-13 12:19                               ` Russell King
2008-02-12 19:41                         ` Al Viro
2008-02-12 21:51                           ` Alan Cox
2008-02-12 22:17                             ` Andrew Morton
2008-02-12 22:20                               ` Alan Cox
2008-02-12 22:41                                 ` Al Viro
2008-02-12 23:01                                   ` Alan Cox
2008-02-12 23:27                                     ` Greg KH
2008-02-12 22:55                                 ` Greg KH
2008-02-12 22:59                                   ` Alan Cox
2008-02-12 23:26                                     ` Greg KH
2008-02-13 10:07                             ` Russell King
2008-02-13  0:36                         ` David Miller
2008-02-13  0:53                           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-13  1:25                             ` David Miller
2008-02-12 19:17                       ` James Bottomley
2008-02-13  0:33                       ` David Miller
2008-02-12 20:18                     ` Jiri Kosina
2008-02-12 21:00                       ` James Bottomley
2008-02-13  0:27                     ` David Miller
2008-02-17 12:42                     ` David Woodhouse
2008-02-12 17:48               ` Greg KH
2008-02-12 18:26                 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-12 19:15                   ` Greg KH
2008-02-12 19:46                     ` Al Viro
2008-02-12 20:50                       ` Greg KH
2008-02-12 21:08                         ` Al Viro
2008-02-12 21:20                           ` Greg KH
2008-02-12 21:36                             ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-13 10:54                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-02-13 17:24                         ` Adrian Bunk
2008-02-12 19:55                     ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-12 20:48                       ` Greg KH
2008-02-12 21:25                         ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-02-12 23:49                         ` Theodore Tso
2008-02-15 23:23                         ` Russell King
2008-02-15 23:37                           ` Andrew Morton
2008-02-15 23:47                             ` Randy Dunlap
2008-02-16  0:12                               ` Andrew Morton
2008-02-16  0:17                               ` Russell King
2008-02-16  0:25                                 ` Randy Dunlap
2008-02-13 17:12                       ` Roel Kluin
2008-02-13 18:08                         ` Alan Cox
2008-02-15 23:05                           ` Roel Kluin
2008-02-16  0:03                             ` Alan Cox
2008-02-13 18:09                         ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-15 22:59                           ` Roel Kluin
2008-02-13  0:41                     ` David Miller
2008-02-13  0:47                       ` Andrew Morton
2008-02-13  1:23                         ` David Miller
2008-02-13  7:38                         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2008-02-13  8:45                       ` distributed module configuration [Was: Announce: Linux-next (Or Andrew's dream :-))] Sam Ravnborg
2008-02-13  8:54                         ` distributed module configuration David Miller
2008-02-13  9:04                           ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-02-13  9:06                             ` David Miller
2008-02-13 10:09                             ` Giacomo A. Catenazzi
2008-02-17 15:51                           ` Pavel Machek
2008-02-14  0:56                         ` distributed module configuration [Was: Announce: Linux-next (Or Andrew's dream :-))] Roman Zippel
2008-02-14  8:48                           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2008-02-14 22:38                           ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-02-13  0:31                   ` Announce: Linux-next (Or Andrew's dream :-)) David Miller
2008-02-12 18:48                 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-02-12 20:03               ` Russell King
2008-02-12 20:23                 ` Andrew Morton
2008-02-12 20:31                 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-13 17:53               ` Adrian Bunk
2008-02-12 23:58             ` David Miller
2008-02-13  0:29               ` Greg KH
2008-02-13  0:49                 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-13  1:24                   ` David Miller
2008-02-13  2:16                   ` Theodore Tso
2008-02-13 10:58                     ` Catalin Marinas
2008-02-13  6:16                   ` Greg KH
2008-02-13  7:28                     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2008-02-16 11:16                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-02-13 10:36                     ` Theodore Tso
2008-02-13 17:55                       ` Greg KH
2008-02-13 10:48                     ` Catalin Marinas
2008-02-13  0:37               ` Andrew Morton
2008-02-13  1:16                 ` David Miller
2008-02-13  1:46                   ` Andrew Morton
2008-02-13  0:44               ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-13  1:20                 ` David Miller
2008-02-13  1:41                   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-13  1:46                     ` David Miller
2008-02-13  2:25                   ` James Bottomley
2008-02-13  2:35                     ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-13  3:00                       ` James Bottomley
2008-02-13  3:31                         ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-13  3:48                           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-13  5:17                             ` Nicolas Pitre
2008-02-13  4:10                           ` James Bottomley
2008-02-13  5:14                           ` Nicolas Pitre
2008-02-13  4:19                         ` Paul Mundt
2008-02-13  4:52                   ` J. Bruce Fields
2008-02-12  4:45     ` Trond Myklebust
2008-02-12  5:11       ` Theodore Tso
2008-02-12  6:02         ` David Miller
2008-02-12  7:06           ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-02-12 22:44             ` Theodore Tso
2008-02-12  6:15         ` Andrew Morton
2008-02-12 11:57           ` Stephen Rothwell
2008-02-12 14:57             ` Greg KH
2008-02-14  8:14             ` Russell King
2008-02-14 12:22               ` Stephen Rothwell
2008-02-14 18:01                 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-14 18:32                   ` Gene Heskett
2008-02-14 20:32                     ` Greg KH
2008-02-14 20:39                       ` Gene Heskett
2008-02-15  6:44                       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2008-02-15  6:29                     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2008-02-15  9:26                       ` Gene Heskett
2008-02-15 14:52                         ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2008-02-15  1:11                   ` Ingo Molnar
2008-02-20 14:55                   ` Stephen Rothwell
2008-02-20 15:38                     ` Stefan Richter
2008-02-20 15:42                       ` Theodore Tso
2008-02-20 17:13                         ` Adrian Bunk
2008-02-21 13:22                           ` Theodore Tso
2008-02-12  5:07   ` Stephen Rothwell
2008-02-12  5:56     ` Greg KH
2008-02-12  6:10       ` Stephen Rothwell
2008-02-12 16:24   ` multiple drivers, single device (was Re: Announce: Linux-next (Or Andrew's dream :-))) Jeff Garzik
2008-02-12 16:42     ` Greg KH
2008-02-12 17:42       ` multiple drivers, single device Roland Dreier
2008-02-12 17:51         ` Greg KH
2008-02-12 18:08         ` Jeff Garzik
2008-02-12 17:56       ` multiple drivers, single device (was Re: Announce: Linux-next (Or Andrew's dream :-))) Jeff Garzik
2008-02-12 18:10         ` Greg KH
2008-02-12 18:31           ` Jeff Garzik
2008-02-12 18:30         ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-12 21:38           ` Greg KH
2008-02-12 22:34   ` Announce: Linux-next (Or Andrew's dream :-)) Jan Engelhardt
2008-02-12 18:02 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-02-13  1:20 ` Randy Dunlap
2008-02-13  5:03 ` Kumar Gala
2008-02-14 23:22 ` Roland Dreier
2008-02-15  1:02   ` Stephen Rothwell
2008-02-16 15:14     ` James Bottomley
2008-02-17  5:25       ` Stephen Rothwell
2008-02-17 14:27         ` James Bottomley
2008-02-16  0:09 ` Russell King
2008-02-16  0:21   ` Andrew Morton
2008-02-16  0:31     ` Russell King
2008-02-16  0:45       ` Andrew Morton
2008-02-16  0:42     ` Alexey Dobriyan
2008-02-16  8:08       ` Russell King
2008-02-26  3:54   ` Stephen Rothwell
2008-02-29 12:45     ` Stephen Rothwell
2008-02-29 13:04       ` Adrian Bunk
2008-02-29 23:45         ` Stephen Rothwell

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