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From: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
To: Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>
Cc: Cliffe <cliffe@ii.net>, Casey Schaufler <casey@schaufler-ca.com>,
	Eric Paris <eparis@redhat.com>,
	malware-list@lists.printk.net, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC 0/5] [TALPA] Intro to a linux interface for on access scanning
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 13:22:51 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080805132251.300924c0@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080805034611.GA11399@kroah.com>

> Remember, the big issue here isn't the kernel "hooks", but the fact that
> a lot of people are yet to be convinced that something like this needs
> to be within the kernel itself.

Mostly the same people who said that about LSM I note 8)

> Perhaps we should dig up the proposals for the filesystem-notify type
> patches, something like that might be all the majority of the virus
> people need, as they want to just scan things for Windows viruses, not
> Linux ones, and to do so "lazily" might be sufficient.

The key difference between a lazy scan and an active intervention is tiny
- the ability to block in the security decision to open a file.

Once you have that bit you have the ability to hand the file handle up to
a daemon to chew on and return a status. The same co-incidentally gives
you the hooks for doing various kinds of HSM as you can block an open
while you retrieve the archived content from wherever it was warehoused.

Alan

  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-08-05 12:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 220+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-08-04 21:00 [RFC 0/5] [TALPA] Intro to a linux interface for on access scanning Eric Paris
2008-08-04 22:32 ` [malware-list] " Greg KH
2008-08-05  0:26   ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-08-05  0:47     ` Eric Paris
2008-08-05  0:54       ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-08-05  5:49         ` Kyle Moffett
2008-08-05 12:32           ` Alan Cox
2008-08-05 11:31         ` Alan Cox
2008-08-05 14:06           ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-05 14:09             ` Alan Cox
2008-08-05 17:58           ` Nick Piggin
2008-08-06  2:41         ` Andi Kleen
2008-08-06 18:04           ` Rik van Riel
2008-08-05  0:32   ` Eric Paris
2008-08-05  0:35     ` Eric Paris
2008-08-05  0:51     ` Greg KH
2008-08-05 11:23       ` Alan Cox
2008-08-05 17:03         ` Greg KH
2008-08-05 18:56           ` Eric Paris
2008-08-05 20:30             ` Greg KH
2008-08-06 18:49               ` Eric Paris
2008-08-06 21:02                 ` Theodore Tso
2008-08-06 21:28                   ` Eric Paris
2008-08-06 21:52                     ` Theodore Tso
2008-08-07 14:16                       ` Eric Paris
2008-08-07 21:55                         ` David Wagner
2008-08-08  2:06                         ` Rene Herman
2008-08-08  2:15                           ` Eric Paris
2008-08-08  2:55                             ` Rene Herman
2008-08-08 11:58                               ` Press, Jonathan
2008-08-08 12:34                                 ` Rene Herman
2008-08-08 13:11                                   ` Press, Jonathan
2008-08-08 13:43                                     ` Rene Herman
2008-08-05 11:25       ` Alan Cox
2008-08-05 17:01         ` Greg KH
2008-08-05 20:36           ` Alan Cox
2008-08-05 19:46       ` Eric Paris
2008-08-05 20:15         ` Greg KH
2008-08-06  9:37           ` tvrtko.ursulin
2008-08-06 15:25             ` Greg KH
2008-08-06 15:41               ` Eric Paris
2008-08-06 16:03               ` tvrtko.ursulin
2008-08-06  9:28         ` tvrtko.ursulin
2008-08-05 14:41     ` [malware-list] [RFC 0/5] [TALPA] Intro to a linux interface foron " Press, Jonathan
2008-08-05 14:56       ` Eric Paris
2008-08-05 16:37         ` [malware-list] [RFC 0/5] [TALPA] Intro to a linux interfaceforon " Press, Jonathan
2008-08-05 17:19           ` Eric Paris
2008-08-05 17:38             ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-08-05 17:29               ` Alan Cox
2008-08-05 18:02                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-08-05 20:12                   ` Alan Cox
2008-08-05 20:41                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-08-05 18:04               ` Press, Jonathan
2008-08-05 18:11                 ` Greg KH
2008-08-05 18:38                   ` [malware-list] [RFC 0/5] [TALPA] Intro to a linuxinterfaceforon " Press, Jonathan
2008-08-05 18:54                     ` Theodore Tso
2008-08-05 20:37                       ` [malware-list] [RFC 0/5] [TALPA] Intro to alinuxinterfaceforon " Press, Jonathan
2008-08-05 21:14                         ` Greg KH
2008-08-05 21:23                           ` [malware-list] [RFC 0/5] [TALPA] Intro to alinuxinterfaceforonaccess scanning Press, Jonathan
2008-08-05 21:42                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-08-05 21:44                             ` Greg KH
     [not found]                               ` <2629CC4E1D22A64593B02C43E855530303E21D47@USILMS12.ca.com>
2008-08-05 22:26                                 ` [malware-list] [RFC 0/5] [TALPA] Intro toalinuxinterfaceforonaccess scanning Greg KH
2008-08-05 23:37                                   ` Al Viro
2008-08-05 23:48                                     ` Eric Paris
2008-08-05 23:57                                       ` Theodore Tso
2008-08-06  0:11                                       ` Greg KH
2008-08-06  0:25                                         ` Eric Paris
2008-08-06  0:46                                           ` Rik van Riel
2008-08-06  1:44                                             ` Theodore Tso
2008-08-08 10:48                                               ` [malware-list] Threat model for Unix Computers Jörg Ostertag
2008-08-08 22:26                                                 ` Peter Dolding
2008-08-09  1:21                                                 ` david
2008-08-09  1:44                                                 ` Ulrich Drepper
2008-08-05 23:55                                 ` [malware-list] [RFC 0/5] [TALPA] Intro toalinuxinterfaceforonaccess scanning Theodore Tso
2008-08-06 10:25                                   ` Pavel Machek
2008-08-05 21:45                             ` [malware-list] [RFC 0/5] [TALPA] Intro to alinuxinterfaceforonaccess scanning Al Viro
2008-08-05 20:18                     ` [malware-list] [RFC 0/5] [TALPA] Intro to a linuxinterfaceforon access scanning Greg KH
2008-08-05 20:28                       ` [malware-list] [RFC 0/5] [TALPA] Intro to alinuxinterfaceforon " Press, Jonathan
2008-08-05 20:51                         ` Eric Paris
2008-08-05 21:08                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-08-06  0:51                     ` [malware-list] [RFC 0/5] [TALPA] Intro to a linuxinterfaceforon " Rik van Riel
2008-08-06 12:10                       ` Press, Jonathan
2008-08-06 12:38                         ` Peter Dolding
2008-08-06 13:11                           ` Press, Jonathan
2008-08-06 13:49                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-08-06 13:55                               ` Eric Paris
2008-08-06 14:11                                 ` Peter Dolding
2008-08-06 14:20                                   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-08-06 13:57                             ` Peter Dolding
2008-08-06 11:31                               ` [malware-list] [RFC 0/5] [TALPA] Intro to a linux interfaceforon " David Collier-Brown
2008-08-06 23:20                                 ` Peter Dolding
2008-08-06 13:44                         ` [malware-list] [RFC 0/5] [TALPA] Intro to a linuxinterfaceforon " Arjan van de Ven
2008-08-06 14:16                           ` tvrtko.ursulin
2008-08-06 14:23                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-08-06 15:22                             ` Theodore Tso
2008-08-06 15:54                               ` tvrtko.ursulin
2008-08-07  9:28                             ` Pavel Machek
2008-08-07 14:21                               ` Peter Dolding
2008-08-07 14:31                                 ` Eric Paris
2008-08-08  0:05                                   ` Peter Dolding
2008-08-08  5:17                                     ` James Morris
2008-08-06 15:08                         ` Theodore Tso
2008-08-06 15:33                           ` [malware-list] [RFC 0/5] [TALPA] Intro to alinuxinterfaceforon " Press, Jonathan
2008-08-06 15:46                             ` Rik van Riel
2008-08-06 16:12                               ` tvrtko.ursulin
2008-08-06 16:25                                 ` Rik van Riel
2008-08-06 18:06                                   ` Eric Paris
2008-08-05 20:17                   ` [malware-list] [RFC 0/5] [TALPA] Intro to a linux interfaceforon " Alan Cox
2008-08-06  9:24                   ` tvrtko.ursulin
2008-08-06 15:24                     ` Greg KH
2008-08-05 18:27                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-08-05 18:34                   ` Press, Jonathan
2008-08-05 18:38                     ` Greg KH
2008-08-05 20:15                       ` [malware-list] [RFC 0/5] [TALPA] Intro to a linuxinterfaceforon " Press, Jonathan
2008-08-05 20:26                         ` Greg KH
2008-08-06 10:05                           ` tvrtko.ursulin
2008-08-06 10:50                             ` Adrian Bunk
2008-08-06 11:07                               ` tvrtko.ursulin
2008-08-06 11:26                                 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-08-07  0:49                                   ` Mihai Donțu
2008-08-07  4:39                                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-08-11 13:45                                       ` Mihai Donțu
2008-08-11 13:56                                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-08-11 16:11                                           ` David Collier-Brown
2008-08-11 21:18                                             ` Press, Jonathan
2008-08-11 22:09                                               ` David Wagner
2008-08-12  7:32                                                 ` Alan Cox
2008-08-13 10:28                                               ` Pavel Machek
2008-08-13 10:46                                                 ` Press, Jonathan
2008-08-13 11:08                                                   ` Peter Dolding
2008-08-13 12:56                                                   ` Pavel Machek
2008-08-13 13:52                                                     ` tvrtko.ursulin
2008-08-14 12:54                                                       ` Pavel Machek
2008-08-14 18:37                                                         ` [malware-list] [RFC 0/5] [TALPA] Intro to alinuxinterfaceforon " Press, Jonathan
2008-08-14 22:39                                                           ` Pavel Machek
2008-08-15  0:00                                                             ` Rik van Riel
2008-08-15  0:43                                                               ` Theodore Tso
2008-08-15  1:02                                                                 ` Rik van Riel
2008-08-15  3:00                                                                 ` Eric Paris
2008-08-15  5:22                                                                   ` david
2008-08-15  5:33                                                                     ` david
2008-08-15  5:38                                                                       ` david
2008-08-17 22:14                                                                     ` Pavel Machek
2008-08-17 22:12                                                                   ` Pavel Machek
2008-08-17 22:47                                                                     ` david
2008-08-17 22:58                                                                       ` Pavel Machek
2008-08-17 23:24                                                                         ` david
2008-08-18  0:00                                                                         ` Casey Schaufler
2008-08-18  0:17                                                                           ` david
2008-08-18  0:31                                                                             ` Peter Dolding
2008-08-18  0:39                                                                               ` david
2008-08-18  0:42                                                                             ` Casey Schaufler
2008-08-18  0:07                                                                         ` Rik van Riel
2008-08-19 10:41                                                                           ` Pavel Machek
2008-08-15  8:35                                                                 ` Alan Cox
2008-08-15 11:35                                                                   ` Theodore Tso
2008-08-15 12:57                                                                     ` [malware-list] [RFC 0/5] [TALPA] Intro to alinuxinterfaceforonaccess scanning Press, Jonathan
2008-08-15 13:16                                                                       ` Theodore Tso
2008-08-15 13:22                                                                         ` douglas.leeder
2008-08-15 13:28                                                                           ` douglas.leeder
2008-08-15 13:55                                                                           ` Theodore Tso
2008-08-15 14:19                                                                             ` douglas.leeder
2008-08-15 15:42                                                                             ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2008-08-17 22:10                                                                   ` [malware-list] [RFC 0/5] [TALPA] Intro to alinuxinterfaceforon access scanning Pavel Machek
2008-08-13 13:58                                                     ` [malware-list] [RFC 0/5] [TALPA] Intro to a linuxinterfaceforon " Arjan van de Ven
2008-08-13 13:54                                                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-08-13 14:16                                                     ` tvrtko.ursulin
2008-08-13 14:28                                                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-08-13 15:19                                                         ` tvrtko.ursulin
2008-08-14 12:56                                                       ` Pavel Machek
2008-08-14 20:06                                                         ` Alan Cox
2008-08-14 22:35                                                           ` Pavel Machek
2008-08-11 21:53                                             ` David Wagner
2008-08-11 21:45                                               ` Alan Cox
2008-08-14 10:48                                               ` David Collier-Brown
2008-08-06 15:00                                 ` Theodore Tso
2008-08-06 15:17                             ` Greg KH
2008-08-06 15:22                               ` Eric Paris
2008-08-05 20:38                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-08-05 20:54                           ` Eric Paris
2008-08-05 21:05                           ` Al Viro
2008-08-05 18:38                     ` [malware-list] [RFC 0/5] [TALPA] Intro to a linux interfaceforon " Arjan van de Ven
2008-08-05 18:39                   ` Eric Paris
2008-08-06  0:30                     ` Rik van Riel
2008-08-06  1:55                       ` Eric Paris
2008-08-06 11:40                     ` Sidebar to [malware-list] [RFC 0/5] [TALPA] Intro to a linux interface for on " David Collier-Brown
2008-08-06  0:22                 ` [malware-list] [RFC 0/5] [TALPA] Intro to a linux interfaceforon " Rik van Riel
2008-08-06  0:53                   ` jmorris
2008-08-06  2:46       ` [malware-list] [RFC 0/5] [TALPA] Intro to a linux interface foron " Andi Kleen
2008-08-06  8:39     ` [malware-list] [RFC 0/5] [TALPA] Intro to a linux interface for on " tvrtko.ursulin
2008-08-05 11:21   ` Helge Hafting
2008-08-05 17:04     ` Greg KH
2008-08-05  2:49 ` Casey Schaufler
2008-08-05  3:01   ` Cliffe
2008-08-05  3:44     ` Casey Schaufler
2008-08-05  3:45       ` Cliffe
2008-08-05 20:56       ` Paul Moore
2008-08-06  3:00         ` Casey Schaufler
2008-08-06 14:18           ` Paul Moore
2008-08-07  0:49             ` Casey Schaufler
2008-08-05  3:46     ` Greg KH
2008-08-05  3:58       ` Cliffe
2008-08-05 12:05         ` Peter Dolding
2008-08-05 12:22       ` Alan Cox [this message]
2008-08-05 18:08 ` Nick Piggin
2008-08-06  9:44   ` [malware-list] " tvrtko.ursulin
2008-08-06 11:10     ` Nick Piggin
2008-08-06 11:29       ` tvrtko.ursulin
2008-08-06 16:57         ` Nick Piggin
2008-08-05 22:55 ` J. Bruce Fields
2008-08-06 10:09   ` [malware-list] " tvrtko.ursulin
2008-08-06 22:24     ` David Wagner
2008-08-07  0:04       ` James Morris
2008-08-07 10:30         ` Alan Cox
2008-08-07 11:19       ` tvrtko.ursulin
2008-08-06  2:35 ` Andi Kleen
2008-08-06  3:43   ` Eric Paris
2008-08-06  3:52     ` Andi Kleen
2008-08-06 22:04 ` David Wagner
2008-08-18 14:06 ` John Moser

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