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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	linux@sandersweb.net, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	the arch/x86 maintainers <x86@kernel.org>,
	Andi Kleen <andi-suse@firstfloor.org>
Subject: Re: [BUG] x86 kenel won't boot under Virtual PC
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 17:23:30 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080908152330.GA9784@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0809080805240.3117@nehalem.linux-foundation.org>


* Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:

> On Sun, 7 Sep 2008, H. Peter Anvin wrote:
> > 
> > Under that logic we shouldn't even have CPU configurables, since you want it
> > to "just work" whatever crap you're running on.  That is EXACTLY what
> > CONFIG_X86_GENERIC means
> 
> I dunno.. Event he help-text doesn't actually agree with that:
> 
>   config X86_GENERIC
>         bool "Generic x86 support"
>         depends on X86_32
>         help
>           Instead of just including optimizations for the selected
>           x86 variant (e.g. PII, Crusoe or Athlon), include some more
>           generic optimizations as well. This will make the kernel
>           perform better on x86 CPUs other than that selected.
>           
>           This is really intended for distributors who need more
>           generic optimizations.
> 
> Also, quite frankly, while the CPU processor type message says
> 
>           The kernel will not necessarily run on earlier architectures than
>           the one you have chosen, e.g. a Pentium optimized kernel will run on
>           a PPro, but not necessarily on a i486.
> 
> I thought you agreed that CPU virtualization can be a problem? That 
> was the whole excuse for why the dynamic code was changed. Why would 
> it not be true for the static code?
> 
> The fact is, if you want to run on a Core2 or other modern CPU, then 
> "Virtual PC" is apparently buggy in this respect. You worked around it 
> for the dynamic choice - but that's totally _pointless_ if you then 
> don't want to work around it for the static one.

yes. X86_P6_NOPS is a totally insignificant optimization and if it makes 
_any_ CPU not boot (be that virtual or real), then it's frankly not 
worth it.

David, exactly how does the kernel fail to boot with latest -git? 
(v2.6.27-rc5-313-g64f996f or later) Does detect_nopl() run? It really 
should, and it should detect the non-working instructions.

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2008-09-08 15:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-08-31 18:22 [BUG] x86 kenel won't boot under Virtual PC David Sanders
2008-08-31 18:47 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-08-31 19:27   ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-08-31 19:39     ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-05 15:38       ` David Sanders
2008-09-05 16:15         ` Jan Beulich
2008-09-05 16:39           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-05 18:43             ` Ingo Molnar
2008-09-05 20:06               ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-05 19:08             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-09-05 20:12           ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-05 16:30         ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-05 17:55           ` Andi Kleen
2008-08-31 20:03   ` David Sanders
2008-09-01 20:23     ` David Sanders
2008-09-01 22:22       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-02 12:08         ` David Sanders
2008-09-02 18:12           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-02 18:44             ` David Sanders
2008-09-03 11:09               ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-09-03 11:20                 ` David Sanders
     [not found] ` <48C1C156.9080003@zytor.com>
2008-09-07 20:07   ` David Sanders
2008-09-07 23:22     ` David Sanders
2008-09-08  1:48       ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-08  2:49         ` David Sanders
2008-09-08  4:04           ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-08  9:42             ` Andi Kleen
2008-09-08 13:25             ` David Sanders
2008-09-08 15:09             ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-08 15:23               ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2008-09-08 15:36                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-08 15:38                 ` David Sanders
2008-09-08 15:38                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-08 15:45               ` Andi Kleen
2008-09-08 15:43                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-08 15:50                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-08 15:50                   ` Andi Kleen
2008-09-08 15:50                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-08 15:57                       ` Andi Kleen
2008-09-08 15:54                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-08 16:07                   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-08 16:13                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-08 16:15                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-08 16:26                         ` David Sanders
2008-09-08 16:20                       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-08 16:32                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-08 17:02                           ` Ingo Molnar
2008-09-08 16:34                         ` david
2008-09-08 16:42                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-08 18:51                             ` david
2008-09-08 16:59                           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-08 17:00                         ` Andi Kleen
2008-09-08 17:04                           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-08 17:08                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-08 17:12                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-08 17:41                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-08 17:38                               ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-08 17:59                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-08 19:09                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-08 22:42                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-08 17:18                             ` Andi Kleen

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