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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Jan Beulich <jbeulich@novell.com>
Cc: linux@sandersweb.net, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Andi Kleen <andi-suse@firstfloor.org>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [BUG] x86 kenel won't boot under Virtual PC
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 09:39:38 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0809050931340.3117@nehalem.linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <48C17754.76E4.0078.0@novell.com>



On Fri, 5 Sep 2008, Jan Beulich wrote:
> 
> I disagree here: If I configure a 686+ kernel, I expect these NOPs to be
> that way (and to work). If you want to run on something that's not
> compliant, you just shouldn't configure your kernel that way.

Well, if you actually do a

	git grep 'ASM_NOP[0-9]'

you'll find that just the _definitions_ of those things are the bulk of it 
BY FAR, and that there doesn't seem to be a single user that cares even 
remotely about performance.

So I actually think that the whole thing is a waste of time. We should 
probably 

 - pick a single set of NOP's per 32-bit/64-bit (since the good nops in 
   32-bit aren't 64-bit instructions at all, so we do want different nops 
   depending on _that_)

   The whole static choice by microarchitecture is pure garbage.

 - Probably also just declare that those default nops are single 
   instructions, just so that we never even have to think about it from a 
   dynamic replacement angle.

   Look at the uses again, and realize that it really is just pure garbage 
   to have this kind of complex and subtle stuff going on.

 - Move the optimized nop definitions (K7_NOPx etc) to the only place that 
   cares - asm/x86/kernel/alternative.c. When we do things _dynamically_, 
   it can actually make sense to pick a nop more precisely, but for this 
   whole static thing it's just a pain.

IOW, if it actually _worked_ reasonably, I wouldn't care. But clearly it 
doesn't. And once it's not working reasonably, it should be fixed.

		Linus

  reply	other threads:[~2008-09-05 16:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-08-31 18:22 [BUG] x86 kenel won't boot under Virtual PC David Sanders
2008-08-31 18:47 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-08-31 19:27   ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-08-31 19:39     ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-05 15:38       ` David Sanders
2008-09-05 16:15         ` Jan Beulich
2008-09-05 16:39           ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2008-09-05 18:43             ` Ingo Molnar
2008-09-05 20:06               ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-05 19:08             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-09-05 20:12           ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-05 16:30         ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-05 17:55           ` Andi Kleen
2008-08-31 20:03   ` David Sanders
2008-09-01 20:23     ` David Sanders
2008-09-01 22:22       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-02 12:08         ` David Sanders
2008-09-02 18:12           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-02 18:44             ` David Sanders
2008-09-03 11:09               ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-09-03 11:20                 ` David Sanders
     [not found] ` <48C1C156.9080003@zytor.com>
2008-09-07 20:07   ` David Sanders
2008-09-07 23:22     ` David Sanders
2008-09-08  1:48       ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-08  2:49         ` David Sanders
2008-09-08  4:04           ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-08  9:42             ` Andi Kleen
2008-09-08 13:25             ` David Sanders
2008-09-08 15:09             ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-08 15:23               ` Ingo Molnar
2008-09-08 15:36                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-08 15:38                 ` David Sanders
2008-09-08 15:38                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-08 15:45               ` Andi Kleen
2008-09-08 15:43                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-08 15:50                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-08 15:50                   ` Andi Kleen
2008-09-08 15:50                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-08 15:57                       ` Andi Kleen
2008-09-08 15:54                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-08 16:07                   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-08 16:13                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-08 16:15                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-08 16:26                         ` David Sanders
2008-09-08 16:20                       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-08 16:32                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-08 17:02                           ` Ingo Molnar
2008-09-08 16:34                         ` david
2008-09-08 16:42                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-08 18:51                             ` david
2008-09-08 16:59                           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-08 17:00                         ` Andi Kleen
2008-09-08 17:04                           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-08 17:08                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-08 17:12                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-08 17:41                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-08 17:38                               ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-08 17:59                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-08 19:09                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-08 22:42                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-08 17:18                             ` Andi Kleen

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