From: Kees Cook <kees.cook@canonical.com>
To: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>
Cc: Roland McGrath <roland@redhat.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Jakub Jelinek <jakub@redhat.com>,
Ulrich Drepper <drepper@redhat.com>,
libc-alpha@sourceware.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] ELF: implement AT_RANDOM for future glibc use
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 16:29:36 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20081006232936.GR10357@outflux.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20081006231942.GO3180@one.firstfloor.org>
On Tue, Oct 07, 2008 at 01:19:42AM +0200, Andi Kleen wrote:
> And you won't deny that session keys are more important than mmap
> placement, will you?
Right, I would tend to agree that session key strength is more important
than ASLR strength.
> > I'd really love to see this solved. My goal is to get a mainline glibc
> > patch for a low-cost randomized stack guard value.
>
> Your current implementation is high cost.
>...
> random32() is not a cryptographically strong RNG. I suspect it would
> be pretty easy to reverse engineer its seed given some state. It hasn't
> been designed to be protected against that.
It's being used for randomness in the networking code, so it's at least
mildly random "enough".
> IMHO it needs a new class of random numbers in the kernel that use
> some cryptographically strong RNG (there are a couple of candidates
> like yarrow) which is very rarely seeded
> from the entropy pool[1] and use that for these applications.
> A couple of other users in the kernel would benefit that too,
> most users of get_random_bytes() probably should be reviewed
> for their true requirements.
Sure, but this is a larger (and pre-existing) problem.
> Ideally expose it to userland too so that dumb users like
> tmpfile can use it too.
Would you propose that it get hooked to /dev/urandom?
-Kees
--
Kees Cook
Ubuntu Security Team
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2008-10-03 0:16 ` [PATCH] ELF: implement AT_RANDOM for future glibc use Kees Cook
2008-10-03 0:43 ` Jakub Jelinek
2008-10-03 5:25 ` Kees Cook
2008-10-03 5:29 ` Kees Cook
2008-10-03 5:57 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-10-03 6:25 ` Ulrich Drepper
2008-10-03 14:50 ` [PATCH] ELF: implement AT_RANDOM for glibc PRNG seeding Kees Cook
2008-10-03 14:56 ` Ulrich Drepper
2008-10-03 14:57 ` Jakub Jelinek
2008-10-03 17:33 ` Kees Cook
2008-10-03 17:41 ` Ulrich Drepper
2008-10-03 17:59 ` [PATCH v5] " Kees Cook
2008-10-18 5:42 ` Ulrich Drepper
2008-10-21 20:01 ` Andrew Morton
2008-10-21 20:22 ` Ulrich Drepper
2008-10-27 5:46 ` Andrew Morton
2008-10-03 0:52 ` [PATCH] ELF: implement AT_RANDOM for future glibc use Roland McGrath
2008-10-03 5:15 ` Kees Cook
2008-10-03 20:22 ` Roland McGrath
2008-10-06 6:00 ` Andi Kleen
2008-10-06 17:50 ` Kees Cook
2008-10-06 18:25 ` David Wagner
2008-10-06 20:23 ` Andi Kleen
2008-10-06 22:16 ` David Wagner
2008-10-06 19:26 ` Andi Kleen
2008-10-06 22:01 ` Kees Cook
2008-10-06 23:19 ` Andi Kleen
2008-10-06 23:29 ` Kees Cook [this message]
2008-10-06 23:44 ` Andi Kleen
2008-10-06 22:07 ` Kees Cook
2008-10-06 23:28 ` Andi Kleen
2008-10-06 23:58 ` Roland McGrath
2008-10-07 0:08 ` Ulrich Drepper
2008-10-07 0:31 ` Kees Cook
2008-10-07 0:57 ` Ulrich Drepper
2008-10-07 1:44 ` Kees Cook
2008-10-07 1:51 ` Ulrich Drepper
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