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From: Robin Getz <rgetz@blackfin.uclinux.org>
To: "Chris Peterson" <cpeterso@cpeterso.com>
Cc: "Matt Mackall" <mpm@selenic.com>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: IRQF_SAMPLE_RANDOM question...
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 18:30:37 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200904071830.38081.rgetz@blackfin.uclinux.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <a24804730904071439g4cc1779bi1ebaf814d370708c@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue 7 Apr 2009 17:39, Chris Peterson pondered:
> 1. Are there any new add_*_randomness() functions that could be added?

I can think of - USB, serial, SDIO - but if any are heavily loaded with 
constant data - their randomness reduces, and becomes less useful. if it is 
the normal use case - then these might be better - but it is a function of 
the local users's use of the device - and is not remotely attackable.

> Some userspace daemons like EGD (running as root) feed random system
> info (e.g. vmstat) into /dev/random. But how many Linux distros
> actually run entropy-gathering daemons by default?

Not many that I can find.

> Would /dev/random 
> be more secure if entropy-gathering daemons were replaced with new
> kernel functions like add_vmstat_randomness() or add_ps_randomness()?

on embedded and server - it is likely most of ps (except load) will be pretty 
stable - even vmstat - might be on more stable than you think on embedded - 
which starts processes, allocates memory, and then just runs forever.....

> 2. Are there any other functions that could be calling the existing
> add_*_randomness() functions? Currently:
> 
> * add_input_randomness() is called from input_event().

Could be added in the serial core? usb? spi? i2c?

> * add_interrupt_randomess() is called from handle_IRQ_event() if
>    IRQF_SAMPLE_RANDOM is set.
> * add_disk_randomness() is called from blk_end_io() and __blk_end_request().

  reply	other threads:[~2009-04-07 22:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-04-06 18:30 IRQF_SAMPLE_RANDOM question Robin Getz
2009-04-06 18:40 ` Jeff Garzik
2009-04-06 18:44   ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-04-06 18:49     ` Jeff Garzik
2009-04-07  8:27       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-04-06 19:22   ` Robin Getz
2009-04-06 19:00 ` Alan Cox
2009-04-06 19:01 ` Matt Mackall
2009-04-06 22:09   ` Sven-Haegar Koch
2009-04-06 23:35     ` Jeff Garzik
2009-04-07 21:58       ` Robin Getz
2009-04-07 22:25         ` Jeff Garzik
2009-04-07  0:16     ` Matt Mackall
2009-04-07  0:30       ` Jeff Garzik
2009-04-07 11:16   ` Robin Getz
2009-04-07 14:57     ` Matt Mackall
2009-04-07 21:39       ` Chris Peterson
2009-04-07 22:30         ` Robin Getz [this message]
2009-04-08 21:53           ` Gilles Espinasse
2009-04-08 23:16             ` Chris Friesen
2009-04-09  4:24               ` Robin Getz
2009-04-07 21:44       ` Robin Getz
2009-04-08 19:51         ` Matt Mackall
2009-04-09 13:54           ` Robin Getz
2009-04-09 17:00             ` Matt Mackall
2009-04-10  0:41               ` Robin Getz
2009-04-10  1:29               ` Chris Peterson
2009-04-10  2:27                 ` Matt Mackall

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