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From: "Serge E. Hallyn" <serue@us.ibm.com>
To: Dave Hansen <dave@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc: Alexey Dobriyan <adobriyan@gmail.com>,
	xemul@parallels.com, containers@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, hch@infradead.org,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, torvalds@linux-foundation.org,
	mingo@elte.hu
Subject: Re: CAP_SYS_ADMIN on restart(2) (was: Re: [PATCH 00/30] C/R OpenVZ/Virtuozzo style)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 15:39:20 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090415203920.GA5475@us.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1239827033.32604.167.camel@nimitz>

Quoting Dave Hansen (dave@linux.vnet.ibm.com):
> On Wed, 2009-04-15 at 23:21 +0400, Alexey Dobriyan wrote:
> > Is sysctl to control CAP_SYS_ADMIN on restart(2) OK?
> 
> If the point is not to let users even *try* restarting things if it
> *might* not work, then I guess this might be reasonable.  
> 
> If the goal is to increase security by always requiring CAP_SYS_ADMIN
> for "dangerous" operations, I fear it will be harmful.  We may have
> people adding features that are not considering the security impact of
> what they're doing just because the cases they care about all require
> privilege.

Nah, I disagree.  (Or put another way, that wouldn't be the goal)
There are two administrators we want to satisfy:

1. the one who wants his users to do partial checkpoints, but doesn't
want to risk giving away any privilege at all in the process.  He'll
be satisified by setting restart(2) to not require cap_sys_admin,
and his users just won't be able to do a whole container.  A lot of
users will be happy with that (though no SYSVIPC support, then).

2. the one who may have one or two users who he trusts to do
checkpoint/restart, but otherwise doesn't want even the slightest
risk of other users using restart, and maybe finding an exploit.
That one is probably the more common admin, and he'll be satisified
with requiring CAP_SYS_ADMIN for all restart(2)'s, since he's ok
risking giving extra privilege to the ones he trusts.

And meanwhile, by virtue of leaving (1) supported, we are still
more under the gun to make sure that everything restart(2) does
is properly checked.

> What would the goal be?
> 
> -- Dave

-serge

  reply	other threads:[~2009-04-15 20:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-04-10  2:32 [PATCH 00/30] C/R OpenVZ/Virtuozzo style Alexey Dobriyan
2009-04-10  2:44 ` Alexey Dobriyan
2009-04-10  5:07 ` Dave Hansen
2009-04-13  9:14   ` Alexey Dobriyan
2009-04-13 11:16     ` Dave Hansen
2009-04-13 18:07     ` Dave Hansen
2009-04-14  4:26     ` Oren Laadan
2009-04-14 14:58       ` Alexey Dobriyan
2009-04-14 18:08         ` Oren Laadan
2009-04-14 18:34           ` Alexey Dobriyan
2009-04-14 19:31             ` Oren Laadan
2009-04-14 20:08               ` Alexey Dobriyan
2009-04-14 20:49           ` Alexey Dobriyan
2009-04-14 21:11             ` Dave Hansen
2009-04-14 21:39             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-04-15 19:21               ` CAP_SYS_ADMIN on restart(2) (was: Re: [PATCH 00/30] C/R OpenVZ/Virtuozzo style) Alexey Dobriyan
2009-04-15 20:22                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-04-15 20:23                 ` Dave Hansen
2009-04-15 20:39                   ` Serge E. Hallyn [this message]
2009-04-15 21:05                     ` CAP_SYS_ADMIN on restart(2) Oren Laadan
2009-04-15 21:16                       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-04-16 15:35                         ` Alexey Dobriyan
2009-04-16 16:29                           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-04-10  8:28 ` [PATCH 00/30] C/R OpenVZ/Virtuozzo style Ingo Molnar
2009-04-10 11:45   ` Alexey Dobriyan
2009-04-10 15:06 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-13  7:39   ` Alexey Dobriyan
2009-04-13 18:39     ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-13 19:30       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-14 12:29       ` Alexey Dobriyan
2009-04-14 13:44         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-14 16:53           ` Alexey Dobriyan
2009-04-14 17:09         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-14 17:19           ` Randy Dunlap
2009-04-14 17:32             ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-14  5:46 ` Oren Laadan
2009-04-14 15:19   ` Alexey Dobriyan

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