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From: Jean Delvare <khali@linux-fr.org>
To: Phillip Lougher <phillip@lougher.demon.co.uk>
Cc: "FTPAdmin Kernel.org" <ftpadmin@kernel.org>,
	lasse.collin@tukaani.org, mirrors@kernel.org,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	users@kernel.org
Subject: Re: [kernel.org users] XZ Migration discussion
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 10:32:26 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100214103226.64736ce5@hyperion.delvare> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4B7729B5.4040609@lougher.demon.co.uk>

Hi Phillip,

On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 22:37:41 +0000, Phillip Lougher wrote:
> Embedded and enterprise distro users are usually stuck on ancient kernels that
> were downloaded from kernel.org and patched *years ago*.  The reason they're
> stuck on them is due to local modifications, and so they're not going to be
> downloading ancient vanilla kernels from kernel.org now.

They perfectly could. This is exactly what we're doing at Suse and I can
easily imagine other companies follow the same model. We store our
local changes as patches on top of the old kernel version. When a new
developer joins the team and needs to setup a working tree, our setup
script gets the patches from our internal repository, fetches the
relevant kernel tarball from kernel.org, unpacks it and applies all the
patches.

This is one of the reasons why others have been claiming in this
discussion: it would be weird if files which were previously available
would suddenly disappear. We can discuss the cost and benefits of any
change done to the tree structure, compression formats etc. but please
do not assume that nobody is downloading the old files from kernel.org.

Personally I wouldn't mind at all if old files would disappear and our
tools have to be adjusted accordingly, as long as it happens only once
in a long while and not on a regular basis by (broken) design.

-- 
Jean Delvare

  reply	other threads:[~2010-02-14  9:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 106+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-02-11 18:36 XZ Migration discussion J.H.
2010-02-11 19:44 ` david
2010-02-11 19:48 ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-02-12  0:14   ` [kernel.org mirrors] " Carlos Carvalho
2010-02-11 20:22 ` [kernel.org users] " Willy Tarreau
2010-02-11 20:51 ` Pavel Machek
2010-02-11 22:22   ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-02-12 14:35     ` Jean Delvare
2010-02-13 17:10   ` Jean Delvare
2010-02-13 18:49     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2010-02-13 19:30       ` Randy Dunlap
2010-02-16 14:55       ` Steven Rostedt
2010-02-13 23:28     ` Stefan Richter
2010-02-14  9:07       ` Jean Delvare
2010-02-13 23:52     ` Phillip Lougher
2010-02-14  9:23       ` Jean Delvare
2010-02-14  9:33         ` Justin P. Mattock
2010-02-14  9:49         ` Willy Tarreau
2010-02-14 12:43           ` Jean Delvare
2010-02-15 21:31           ` James Cloos
2010-02-17  5:40             ` Willy Tarreau
2010-02-17  5:54               ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-02-17 10:22               ` Petri Kaukasoina
2010-02-17 10:25               ` Petri Kaukasoina
2010-02-14  9:56       ` Andi Kleen
2010-02-18 23:59         ` Jan Engelhardt
2010-02-14 10:16       ` Lasse Collin
2010-02-12 14:01 ` Jean Delvare
2010-02-12 15:21   ` Linus Torvalds
2010-02-12 19:02     ` J.H.
2010-02-12 19:23       ` Jean Delvare
2010-02-12 23:07         ` Willy Tarreau
2010-02-13  6:20           ` Pavel Machek
2010-02-13 10:06             ` Stefan Richter
2010-02-13 10:21               ` Stefan Richter
2010-02-14  9:56                 ` Lasse Collin
2010-02-13  8:17           ` Jean Delvare
2010-02-13  9:59             ` Stefan Richter
2010-02-13 10:18               ` Avi Kivity
2010-02-13 21:37                 ` [kernel] " Mr. James W. Laferriere
2010-02-13 22:39                   ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2010-02-15 19:33                     ` [kernel.org users] [kernel] " Steve French
2010-02-16  9:16                       ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2010-02-16 15:13                         ` J.H.
2010-02-14 17:13               ` [kernel.org users] " Pavel Machek
2010-02-14 17:33                 ` Stefan Richter
2010-02-14 20:51                   ` Pavel Machek
2010-02-15  8:48                     ` Stefan Richter
2010-02-15 23:32                       ` Tom Rini
2010-02-16  8:21                         ` Stefan Richter
2010-02-14 17:07             ` Pavel Machek
2010-02-14 18:39               ` Stefan Richter
2010-02-14 21:04                 ` david
2010-02-14 21:32                   ` Jean Delvare
2010-02-14 18:59               ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-02-14 19:08               ` Jean Delvare
2010-02-15 15:15                 ` tytso
2010-02-16 15:29                   ` J.H.
2010-02-16 16:03                     ` Jean Delvare
2010-02-17  1:36                     ` David Rees
2010-02-16 14:00                 ` Pavel Machek
2010-02-19  0:08     ` Jan Engelhardt
2010-02-19  4:38       ` J.H.
2010-02-12 15:25   ` Steven Rostedt
2010-02-12 16:11     ` Jean Delvare
2010-02-12 16:30       ` Steven Rostedt
2010-02-12 16:44         ` Jean Delvare
2010-02-12 20:34         ` Junio C Hamano
2010-02-12 21:16           ` Steven Rostedt
2010-02-16 15:39     ` ketchup was " Pavel Machek
2010-02-16 16:17       ` Steven Rostedt
2010-02-16 16:27         ` Pavel Machek
2010-02-21 13:53           ` Pavel Machek
2010-02-21 14:26             ` Jean Delvare
2010-02-21 19:28               ` Pavel Machek
2010-02-22 18:59             ` Pavel Machek
2010-02-23 13:14               ` Steven Rostedt
2010-02-23 20:32                 ` Pavel Machek
2010-02-12 19:02   ` Phillip Lougher
2010-02-12 19:32     ` Jean Delvare
2010-02-12 19:57       ` Phillip Lougher
2010-02-12 21:59         ` Jean Delvare
2010-02-12 23:30           ` Phillip Lougher
2010-02-12 23:39           ` Phillip Lougher
2010-02-13  7:31             ` Jean Delvare
2010-02-13 22:37               ` Phillip Lougher
2010-02-14  9:32                 ` Jean Delvare [this message]
2010-02-14  9:53                   ` Justin P. Mattock
     [not found]           ` <20100212223547.GN5186@tux>
2010-02-13  7:20             ` Jean Delvare
2010-02-12 19:03   ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-02-12 20:25     ` Matthew Wilcox
2010-02-12 21:54       ` Greg KH
2010-02-12 21:58       ` Steven Rostedt
2010-02-14 14:49       ` Harald Arnesen
2010-02-14 18:34         ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-02-12 20:31     ` [kernel.org mirrors] " Sleddens, J.P.G.
2010-02-12 22:11       ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-02-12 23:14         ` [kernel.org users] [kernel.org mirrors] " Willy Tarreau
2010-02-13  7:42     ` [kernel.org users] " Tony Luck
2010-02-13  8:14       ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-02-13  8:53         ` Jean Delvare
2010-02-14  5:43           ` H. Peter Anvin
     [not found]             ` <987664A83D2D224EAE907B061CE93D53123E0ED5@orsmsx505.amr.corp.intel.com>
2010-02-17  0:11               ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-02-14 18:03 ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-02-14 22:27   ` Stephen Hemminger
2010-02-15 16:15     ` Jean Delvare

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