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From: Phillip Lougher <phillip@lougher.demon.co.uk>
To: Jean Delvare <khali@linux-fr.org>
Cc: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>,
	lasse.collin@tukaani.org, mirrors@kernel.org,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"FTPAdmin Kernel.org" <ftpadmin@kernel.org>,
	users@kernel.org
Subject: Re: [kernel.org users] XZ Migration discussion
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 23:52:17 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4B773B31.1020802@lougher.demon.co.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100213181008.479509f5@hyperion.delvare>

Jean Delvare wrote:

> 
> Compared to bz2, gz saves... 2% on the overall time. As a conclusion, I
> think we can plain discard the argument "I need .gz because my machine
> is slow" from now on. It simply doesn't hold.
> 

I agree, but, IMHO the main argument for keeping .gz is cross-platform
availability and wide language support, not hardware limitations.  Doing
a quick google brings up .gz interfaces for every language you can think
of (C, Java, Perl, Python, TCL etc.), not to mention complete separate
implementations in Java and Pascal (not just wrappers on top of the zlib
library), and probably more.

With xz you have just one C/C++ implementation with a single library with
an undocumented API for C/C++ programmers.

It may be a slight stretch of the imagination, but with with .gz you can
conceive programmers writing programs to download a .gz from kernel.org and
decompressing/searching it, in almost any language of choice.  With the JAVA
implementation .gz is genuinely cross platform and you don't need glibc/
C++ compilers, just a Java VM.  Contrast with xz, where if the xz utility
isn't available, or doesn't do what you want, you're stuck with programming
in C/C++ with all the baggage that entails.

Phillip



  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-02-13 23:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 106+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-02-11 18:36 XZ Migration discussion J.H.
2010-02-11 19:44 ` david
2010-02-11 19:48 ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-02-12  0:14   ` [kernel.org mirrors] " Carlos Carvalho
2010-02-11 20:22 ` [kernel.org users] " Willy Tarreau
2010-02-11 20:51 ` Pavel Machek
2010-02-11 22:22   ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-02-12 14:35     ` Jean Delvare
2010-02-13 17:10   ` Jean Delvare
2010-02-13 18:49     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2010-02-13 19:30       ` Randy Dunlap
2010-02-16 14:55       ` Steven Rostedt
2010-02-13 23:28     ` Stefan Richter
2010-02-14  9:07       ` Jean Delvare
2010-02-13 23:52     ` Phillip Lougher [this message]
2010-02-14  9:23       ` Jean Delvare
2010-02-14  9:33         ` Justin P. Mattock
2010-02-14  9:49         ` Willy Tarreau
2010-02-14 12:43           ` Jean Delvare
2010-02-15 21:31           ` James Cloos
2010-02-17  5:40             ` Willy Tarreau
2010-02-17  5:54               ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-02-17 10:22               ` Petri Kaukasoina
2010-02-17 10:25               ` Petri Kaukasoina
2010-02-14  9:56       ` Andi Kleen
2010-02-18 23:59         ` Jan Engelhardt
2010-02-14 10:16       ` Lasse Collin
2010-02-12 14:01 ` Jean Delvare
2010-02-12 15:21   ` Linus Torvalds
2010-02-12 19:02     ` J.H.
2010-02-12 19:23       ` Jean Delvare
2010-02-12 23:07         ` Willy Tarreau
2010-02-13  6:20           ` Pavel Machek
2010-02-13 10:06             ` Stefan Richter
2010-02-13 10:21               ` Stefan Richter
2010-02-14  9:56                 ` Lasse Collin
2010-02-13  8:17           ` Jean Delvare
2010-02-13  9:59             ` Stefan Richter
2010-02-13 10:18               ` Avi Kivity
2010-02-13 21:37                 ` [kernel] " Mr. James W. Laferriere
2010-02-13 22:39                   ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2010-02-15 19:33                     ` [kernel.org users] [kernel] " Steve French
2010-02-16  9:16                       ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2010-02-16 15:13                         ` J.H.
2010-02-14 17:13               ` [kernel.org users] " Pavel Machek
2010-02-14 17:33                 ` Stefan Richter
2010-02-14 20:51                   ` Pavel Machek
2010-02-15  8:48                     ` Stefan Richter
2010-02-15 23:32                       ` Tom Rini
2010-02-16  8:21                         ` Stefan Richter
2010-02-14 17:07             ` Pavel Machek
2010-02-14 18:39               ` Stefan Richter
2010-02-14 21:04                 ` david
2010-02-14 21:32                   ` Jean Delvare
2010-02-14 18:59               ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-02-14 19:08               ` Jean Delvare
2010-02-15 15:15                 ` tytso
2010-02-16 15:29                   ` J.H.
2010-02-16 16:03                     ` Jean Delvare
2010-02-17  1:36                     ` David Rees
2010-02-16 14:00                 ` Pavel Machek
2010-02-19  0:08     ` Jan Engelhardt
2010-02-19  4:38       ` J.H.
2010-02-12 15:25   ` Steven Rostedt
2010-02-12 16:11     ` Jean Delvare
2010-02-12 16:30       ` Steven Rostedt
2010-02-12 16:44         ` Jean Delvare
2010-02-12 20:34         ` Junio C Hamano
2010-02-12 21:16           ` Steven Rostedt
2010-02-16 15:39     ` ketchup was " Pavel Machek
2010-02-16 16:17       ` Steven Rostedt
2010-02-16 16:27         ` Pavel Machek
2010-02-21 13:53           ` Pavel Machek
2010-02-21 14:26             ` Jean Delvare
2010-02-21 19:28               ` Pavel Machek
2010-02-22 18:59             ` Pavel Machek
2010-02-23 13:14               ` Steven Rostedt
2010-02-23 20:32                 ` Pavel Machek
2010-02-12 19:02   ` Phillip Lougher
2010-02-12 19:32     ` Jean Delvare
2010-02-12 19:57       ` Phillip Lougher
2010-02-12 21:59         ` Jean Delvare
2010-02-12 23:30           ` Phillip Lougher
2010-02-12 23:39           ` Phillip Lougher
2010-02-13  7:31             ` Jean Delvare
2010-02-13 22:37               ` Phillip Lougher
2010-02-14  9:32                 ` Jean Delvare
2010-02-14  9:53                   ` Justin P. Mattock
     [not found]           ` <20100212223547.GN5186@tux>
2010-02-13  7:20             ` Jean Delvare
2010-02-12 19:03   ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-02-12 20:25     ` Matthew Wilcox
2010-02-12 21:54       ` Greg KH
2010-02-12 21:58       ` Steven Rostedt
2010-02-14 14:49       ` Harald Arnesen
2010-02-14 18:34         ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-02-12 20:31     ` [kernel.org mirrors] " Sleddens, J.P.G.
2010-02-12 22:11       ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-02-12 23:14         ` [kernel.org users] [kernel.org mirrors] " Willy Tarreau
2010-02-13  7:42     ` [kernel.org users] " Tony Luck
2010-02-13  8:14       ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-02-13  8:53         ` Jean Delvare
2010-02-14  5:43           ` H. Peter Anvin
     [not found]             ` <987664A83D2D224EAE907B061CE93D53123E0ED5@orsmsx505.amr.corp.intel.com>
2010-02-17  0:11               ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-02-14 18:03 ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-02-14 22:27   ` Stephen Hemminger
2010-02-15 16:15     ` Jean Delvare

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