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From: Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>
To: Tim Bird <tim.bird@am.sony.com>, Jeff Mahoney <jeffm@suse.de>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Alessio Igor Bogani <abogani@kernel.org>,
	Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>,
	Anders Kaseorg <andersk@ksplice.com>,
	Tim Abbott <tabbott@ksplice.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux Embedded <linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org>,
	Jason Wessel <jason.wessel@windriver.com>,
	Dirk Behme <dirk.behme@googlemail.com>
Subject: Re: module boot time (was Re: [PATCH] module: Use binary search in lookup_symbol())
Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 14:34:51 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110518213451.GA23702@kroah.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4DD435B7.9090702@am.sony.com>

On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 02:10:15PM -0700, Tim Bird wrote:
> >>> And why do people overly care for the load time?
> >>
> >> To reduce overall boot time.
> > 
> > To reduce it even more, build the modules into the kernel :)
> 
> That's what I do most of the time.  For some projects,
> it is useful to build certain things as modules so you can
> defer initializing them until later in the boot sequence.
> You can get some critical user-space tasks running, then
> come back later to initialize USB and other drivers.
> On cameras, it's not uncommon to want to get to user
> space in the first 500 milliseconds.

That's common even on desktops and servers, and using the bootchart code
in the kernel helps find those bottlenecks.

> Sony has some code which allows us to both statically link
> drivers and defer their initialization, but it's kind of
> kludgy and requires modifying the module declarations
> for the code you want to defer.  Let me know if you think
> this is worth doing an RFC about.

I don't think that's worth it, there has been talk, and some initial
code, about adding kernel modules to the kernel image itself, which
would solve a lot of the i/o time of loading modules, and solves some
other boot speed problems.  That work was done by Jeff Mahoney, but I
think he ran into some "interesting" linker issues and had to shelve it
due to a lack of time :(

thanks,

greg k-h

  reply	other threads:[~2011-05-18 21:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-05-03 20:42 [PATCH] module: Use binary search in lookup_symbol() Alessio Igor Bogani
2011-05-04 15:34 ` Dirk Behme
2011-05-04 17:30   ` Alessio Igor Bogani
2011-05-16 15:36 ` Dirk Behme
2011-05-16 18:02   ` Anders Kaseorg
2011-05-16 20:23     ` Alessio Igor Bogani
2011-05-16 21:01       ` Joe Perches
2011-05-16 21:08         ` Joe Perches
2011-05-17  3:52       ` Rusty Russell
2011-05-17 19:18         ` Dirk Behme
2011-05-17 19:41           ` Alessio Igor Bogani
2011-05-17 20:56             ` Alessio Igor Bogani
2011-05-17 23:22               ` Greg KH
2011-05-17 23:33                 ` Tim Bird
2011-05-18  7:54                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-05-18 17:00                     ` Tim Bird
2011-05-18 19:21                       ` Greg KH
2011-05-18 21:10                         ` module boot time (was Re: [PATCH] module: Use binary search in lookup_symbol()) Tim Bird
2011-05-18 21:34                           ` Greg KH [this message]
2011-05-19 19:56                             ` Jeff Mahoney
2011-05-20 21:29                               ` Tim Bird
2011-05-21 14:23                                 ` Jeff Mahoney
2011-05-18 18:55                   ` Alessio Igor Bogani
2011-05-18 19:22                     ` your mail Greg KH
2011-05-18 20:35                       ` Alessio Igor Bogani
2011-05-18 20:35                         ` [PATCH] module: Use binary search in lookup_symbol() Alessio Igor Bogani
2011-05-18  1:07                 ` Rusty Russell
2011-05-18 15:26               ` Dirk Behme
2011-05-19  7:26                 ` Rusty Russell
2011-05-18  1:10           ` Rusty Russell

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