From: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
To: Mikulas Patocka <mpatocka@redhat.com>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
Srikar Dronamraju <srikar@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
Ananth N Mavinakayanahalli <ananth@in.ibm.com>,
Anton Arapov <anton@redhat.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] brw_mutex: big read-write mutex
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 10:40:48 +1100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20121025234048.GH29378@dastard> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1210251008330.1849@file.rdu.redhat.com>
On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 10:09:31AM -0400, Mikulas Patocka wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, 24 Oct 2012, Dave Chinner wrote:
>
> > On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 06:54:41PM -0400, Mikulas Patocka wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, 19 Oct 2012, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > >
> > > > > Yes, I tried this approach - it involves doing LOCK instruction on read
> > > > > lock, remembering the cpu and doing another LOCK instruction on read
> > > > > unlock (which will hopefully be on the same CPU, so no cacheline bouncing
> > > > > happens in the common case). It was slower than the approach without any
> > > > > LOCK instructions (43.3 seconds seconds for the implementation with
> > > > > per-cpu LOCKed access, 42.7 seconds for this implementation without atomic
> > > > > instruction; the benchmark involved doing 512-byte direct-io reads and
> > > > > writes on a ramdisk with 8 processes on 8-core machine).
> > > >
> > > > So why is that a problem? Surely that's already tons better then what
> > > > you've currently got.
> > >
> > > Percpu rw-semaphores do not improve performance at all. I put them there
> > > to avoid performance regression, not to improve performance.
> > >
> > > All Linux kernels have a race condition - when you change block size of a
> > > block device and you read or write the device at the same time, a crash
> > > may happen. This bug is there since ever. Recently, this bug started to
> > > cause major trouble - multiple high profile business sites report crashes
> > > because of this race condition.
> > >
> > > You can fix this race by using a read lock around I/O paths and write lock
> > > around block size changing, but normal rw semaphore cause cache line
> > > bouncing when taken for read by multiple processors and I/O performance
> > > degradation because of it is measurable.
> >
> > This doesn't sound like a new problem. Hasn't this global access,
> > single modifier exclusion problem been solved before in the VFS?
> > e.g. mnt_want_write()/mnt_make_readonly()
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Dave.
>
> Yes, mnt_want_write()/mnt_make_readonly() do the same thing as percpu rw
> semaphores. I think you can convert mnt_want_write()/mnt_make_readonly()
> to use percpu rw semaphores and remove the duplicated code.
I think you misunderstood my point - that rather than re-inventing
the wheel, why didn't you just copy something that is known to
work?
Cheers,
Dave.
--
Dave Chinner
david@fromorbit.com
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2012-10-25 23:40 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 103+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2012-10-15 19:09 [RFC PATCH 0/2] uprobes: register/unregister can race with fork Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-15 19:10 ` [PATCH 1/2] brw_mutex: big read-write mutex Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-15 23:28 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-10-16 15:56 ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-16 18:58 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-10-17 16:37 ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-17 22:28 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-10-16 19:56 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-10-17 16:59 ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-17 22:44 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-10-18 16:24 ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-18 16:38 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-10-18 17:57 ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-18 19:28 ` Mikulas Patocka
2012-10-19 12:38 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-10-19 15:32 ` Mikulas Patocka
2012-10-19 17:40 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-10-19 17:57 ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-19 22:54 ` Mikulas Patocka
2012-10-24 3:08 ` Dave Chinner
2012-10-25 14:09 ` Mikulas Patocka
2012-10-25 23:40 ` Dave Chinner [this message]
2012-10-26 12:06 ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-26 13:22 ` Mikulas Patocka
2012-10-26 14:12 ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-26 15:23 ` mark_files_ro && sb_end_write Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-26 16:09 ` [PATCH 1/2] brw_mutex: big read-write mutex Mikulas Patocka
2012-10-19 17:49 ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-22 23:09 ` Mikulas Patocka
2012-10-23 15:12 ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-19 19:28 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-10-22 23:36 ` [PATCH 0/2] fix and improvements for percpu-rw-semaphores (was: brw_mutex: big read-write mutex) Mikulas Patocka
2012-10-22 23:37 ` [PATCH 1/2] percpu-rw-semaphores: use light/heavy barriers Mikulas Patocka
2012-10-22 23:39 ` [PATCH 2/2] percpu-rw-semaphores: use rcu_read_lock_sched Mikulas Patocka
2012-10-24 16:16 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-10-24 17:18 ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-24 18:20 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-10-24 18:43 ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-24 19:43 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-10-25 14:54 ` Mikulas Patocka
2012-10-25 15:07 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-10-25 16:15 ` Mikulas Patocka
2012-10-23 16:59 ` [PATCH 1/2] percpu-rw-semaphores: use light/heavy barriers Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-23 18:05 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-10-23 18:27 ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-23 18:41 ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-23 20:29 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-10-23 20:32 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-10-23 21:39 ` Mikulas Patocka
2012-10-24 16:23 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-10-24 20:22 ` Mikulas Patocka
2012-10-24 20:36 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-10-24 20:44 ` Mikulas Patocka
2012-10-24 23:57 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-10-25 12:39 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-10-25 13:48 ` Mikulas Patocka
2012-10-23 19:23 ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-23 20:45 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-10-23 20:57 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-10-24 15:11 ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-23 21:26 ` Mikulas Patocka
2012-10-23 20:32 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-10-30 18:48 ` [PATCH 0/2] fix and improvements for percpu-rw-semaphores (was: brw_mutex: big read-write mutex) Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-31 19:41 ` [PATCH 0/1] percpu_rw_semaphore: reimplement to not block the readers unnecessarily Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-31 19:41 ` [PATCH 1/1] " Oleg Nesterov
2012-11-01 15:10 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-11-01 15:34 ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-11-02 18:06 ` [PATCH v2 0/1] " Oleg Nesterov
2012-11-02 18:06 ` [PATCH v2 1/1] " Oleg Nesterov
2012-11-07 17:04 ` [PATCH v3 " Mikulas Patocka
2012-11-07 17:47 ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-11-07 19:17 ` Mikulas Patocka
2012-11-08 13:42 ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-11-08 1:23 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-11-08 1:16 ` [PATCH v2 " Paul E. McKenney
2012-11-08 13:33 ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-11-08 16:27 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-11-08 13:48 ` [PATCH RESEND v2 0/1] " Oleg Nesterov
2012-11-08 13:48 ` [PATCH RESEND v2 1/1] " Oleg Nesterov
2012-11-08 20:07 ` Andrew Morton
2012-11-08 21:08 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-11-08 23:41 ` Mikulas Patocka
2012-11-09 0:41 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-11-09 3:23 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-11-09 16:35 ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-11-09 16:59 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-11-09 12:47 ` Mikulas Patocka
2012-11-09 15:46 ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-11-09 17:01 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-11-09 18:10 ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-11-09 18:19 ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-11-10 0:55 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-11-11 15:45 ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-11-12 18:38 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-11-11 18:27 ` [PATCH -mm] percpu_rw_semaphore-reimplement-to-not-block-the-readers-unnecessari ly.fix Oleg Nesterov
2012-11-12 18:31 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-11-16 23:22 ` Andrew Morton
2012-11-18 19:32 ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-11-01 15:43 ` [PATCH 1/1] percpu_rw_semaphore: reimplement to not block the readers unnecessarily Paul E. McKenney
2012-11-01 18:33 ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-11-02 16:18 ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-15 19:10 ` [PATCH 2/2] uprobes: Use brw_mutex to fix register/unregister vs dup_mmap() race Oleg Nesterov
2012-10-18 7:03 ` Srikar Dronamraju
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