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From: Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com>
To: Mimi Zohar <zohar@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc: Matthew Garrett <mjg@redhat.com>,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	Khalid Aziz <khalid@gonehiking.org>,
	kexec@lists.infradead.org, horms@verge.net.au,
	Dave Young <dyoung@redhat.com>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	linux kernel mailing list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Dmitry Kasatkin <dmitry.kasatkin@intel.com>,
	Roberto Sassu <roberto.sassu@polito.it>,
	Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>
Subject: Re: Kdump with signed images
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 09:53:56 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20121101135356.GA15659@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20121101131003.GA14573@redhat.com>

On Thu, Nov 01, 2012 at 09:10:03AM -0400, Vivek Goyal wrote:

[..]
> > 
> > > - So say we can sign /sbin/kexec at build time and distros can do that.
> > > - Verify the signature at exec time using kernel keyring and if
> > >   verification happens successfully, say process gains extra capability.
> > > - Use this new capability to determine whether kexec_load() will be
> > >   successful or not.
> > > 
> > > Even if we can do all this, it still has the issue of being able to
> > > stop the process in user space and replace the code at run time
> > > and be able to launch unsigned kernel.
> 
> Thinking more about it. Can we just keep track whether a process was
> ptraced or not and disallow kexec_load() syscall if it was ptraced.
> (I am assuming that ptrace is the only way to change process code/data).
> 
> So binaries can be signed offline. Signature verification can take place
> using kernel keyring at exec() time. And we can keep track of ptraced
> processes and disallow calling kexec_load() for such processes. If this
> is implementable, this should take care of following requirement raised
> by matthew.
> 
> ************************************************************************
> It must be impossible for the kernel to launch any /sbin/kexec that hasn't
> been signed by a trusted key that's been built into the kernel, and it
> must be impossible for anything other than /sbin/kexec to make the kexec
> system call.
> *************************************************************************
> 
> Thoughts?

Eric responded but my mistake he responded to only me. So I will quickly 
put his idea here.

[start quote]

You can't ptrace a process that has a capability you don't.

That should be enforced in security/commoncap/

[end quote]

This looks like a good idea. Upon verification signed binaries will be
assigned special capability and then no unsigned binary should be able
to ptrace signed/verified processes

Thanks
Vivek

  reply	other threads:[~2012-11-01 13:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2012-10-24 17:36                   ` Kdump with signed images Vivek Goyal
2012-10-25  6:10                     ` Mimi Zohar
2012-10-25 14:10                       ` Vivek Goyal
2012-10-25 18:40                         ` Mimi Zohar
2012-10-25 18:55                           ` Vivek Goyal
2012-10-26  1:15                             ` Mimi Zohar
2012-10-26  2:39                               ` Matthew Garrett
2012-10-26  3:30                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-10-26 17:06                                 ` Vivek Goyal
2012-10-26 18:37                                   ` Mimi Zohar
2012-11-01 13:10                                     ` Vivek Goyal
2012-11-01 13:53                                       ` Vivek Goyal [this message]
2012-11-01 14:29                                         ` Mimi Zohar
2012-11-01 14:43                                           ` Vivek Goyal
2012-11-01 14:52                                             ` Matthew Garrett
2012-11-02 13:23                                               ` Vivek Goyal
2012-11-02 14:29                                                 ` Balbir Singh
2012-11-02 14:36                                                   ` Vivek Goyal
2012-11-03  3:02                                                     ` Balbir Singh
2012-11-02 21:34                                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-11-02 21:32                                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-11-05 18:03                                                   ` Vivek Goyal
2012-11-05 19:44                                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-11-05 20:42                                                       ` Vivek Goyal
2012-11-05 23:01                                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-11-06 19:34                                                       ` Vivek Goyal
2012-11-06 23:51                                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-11-08 19:40                                                           ` Vivek Goyal
2012-11-08 19:45                                                             ` Vivek Goyal
2012-11-08 21:03                                                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-11-09 14:39                                                                 ` Vivek Goyal
2012-11-15  5:09                                                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-11-15 12:56                                                                     ` Mimi Zohar
2012-11-08 20:46                                                             ` Mimi Zohar
2012-11-01 14:51                                           ` Vivek Goyal
2012-11-01 14:57                                             ` Matthew Garrett
2012-11-01 15:10                                               ` Khalid Aziz
2012-11-01 16:23                                                 ` Matthew Garrett
2012-11-02 16:57                                                   ` Khalid Aziz
2012-10-26 17:59                                 ` Mimi Zohar
2012-10-26 18:19                                   ` Matthew Garrett
2012-10-26 18:25                                     ` Mimi Zohar
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     [not found]                   ` <87d309xhmc.fsf_-_@xmission.com>
2012-10-24 17:19                     ` [RFC] " Vivek Goyal
2012-10-25  5:43                       ` Mimi Zohar
2012-10-25  6:44                         ` Kees Cook
2012-10-25  7:01                           ` Mimi Zohar
2012-10-25 13:54                         ` Vivek Goyal
2012-10-25 19:06                           ` Mimi Zohar
2012-10-25 15:39                   ` [RFC] Kdump with UEFI secure boot (Re: [PATCH v2] kdump: pass acpi_rsdp= to 2nd kernel for efi booting) Vivek Goyal

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