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From: Nathan Zimmer <nzimmer@sgi.com>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
Cc: Nathan Zimmer <nzimmer@sgi.com>,
	holt@sgi.com, travis@sgi.com, rob@landley.net,
	tglx@linutronix.de, mingo@redhat.com, hpa@zytor.com,
	yinghai@kernel.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	gregkh@linuxfoundation.org, x86@kernel.org,
	linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
Subject: Re: [RFC 2/2] x86_64, mm: Reinsert the absent memory
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 15:36:57 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130624203657.GA107621@asylum.americas.sgi.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130623092840.GB13445@gmail.com>

On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 11:28:40AM +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> 
> That's 4.5 GB/sec initialization speed - that feels a bit slow and the 
> boot time effect should be felt on smaller 'a couple of gigabytes' desktop 
> boxes as well. Do we know exactly where the 2 hours of boot time on a 32 
> TB system is spent?
> 
There are other several spots that could be improved on a large system but 
memory initialization is by far the biggest.

> While you cannot profile the boot process (yet), you could try your 
> delayed patch and run a "perf record -g" call-graph profiling of the 
> late-time initialization routines. What does 'perf report' show?
> 

I have some data from earlier runs.
memmap_init_zone was the function that was the biggest hitter by far.
Parts of it could certianly are low hanging fruit, set_pageblock_migratetype
for example.
However it seems for a larger system SetPageReserved will be the largest
consumer of cycles.  On a 1TB system I just booted it was around 50% of time
spent in memmap_init_zone.


perf seems to struggle with 512 cpus, but I did get some data.
It seems to indicate similar data to what I found in earlier experiments.
Lots of time in memmap_init_zone,
Some are waiting on locks, this guy seems to be representative of that.

-      0.14%    kworker/160:1  [kernel.kallsyms]        [k] mspin_lock                               ▒
   + mspin_lock                                                                                      ▒
   + __mutex_lock_slowpath                                                                           ▒
   - mutex_lock                                                                                      ▒
      - 99.69% online_pages             

> Delayed initialization makes sense I guess because 32 TB is a lot of 
> memory - I'm just wondering whether there's some low hanging fruits left 
> in the mem init code, that code is certainly not optimized for 
> performance.
>
> Plus with a struct page size of around 64 bytes (?) 32 TB of RAM has 512 
> GB of struct page arrays alone. Initializing those will take quite some 
> time as well - and I suspect they are allocated via zeroing them first. If 
> that memset() exists then getting rid of it might be a good move as well.
> 
> Yet another thing to consider would be to implement an initialization 
> speedup of 3 orders of magnitude: initialize on the large page (2MB) 
> grandularity and on-demand delay the initialization of the 4K granular 
> struct pages [but still allocating them] - which I suspect are a good 
> chunk of the overhead? That way we could initialize in 2MB steps and speed 
> up the 2 hours bootup of 32 TB of RAM to 14 seconds...
> 
> [ The cost would be one more branch in the buddy allocator, to detect
>   not-yet-initialized 2 MB chunks as we encounter them. Acceptable I 
>   think. ]
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 	Ingo

  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-06-24 20:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-06-21 16:25 [RFC 0/2] Delay initializing of large sections of memory Nathan Zimmer
2013-06-21 16:25 ` [RFC 1/2] x86_64, mm: Delay initializing large portion " Nathan Zimmer
2013-06-25  4:14   ` Rob Landley
2013-06-21 16:25 ` [RFC 2/2] x86_64, mm: Reinsert the absent memory Nathan Zimmer
2013-06-23  9:28   ` Ingo Molnar
2013-06-23  9:32     ` Ingo Molnar
2013-06-24 17:38       ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-06-24 19:39         ` Ingo Molnar
2013-06-24 20:08           ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-06-25  7:31             ` Ingo Molnar
2013-06-24 20:36     ` Nathan Zimmer [this message]
2013-06-25  7:38       ` Ingo Molnar
2013-06-25 15:07         ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-06-25 17:19           ` Mike Travis
2013-06-25 17:22         ` Mike Travis
2013-06-25 18:43           ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-06-25 18:51             ` Mike Travis
2013-06-26  9:22               ` [RFC] Transparent on-demand memory setup initialization embedded in the (GFP) buddy allocator Ingo Molnar
2013-06-26 13:28                 ` Andrew Morton
2013-06-26 13:37                   ` Ingo Molnar
2013-06-26 15:02                     ` Nathan Zimmer
2013-06-26 16:15                     ` Mike Travis
2013-06-26 12:14       ` [RFC 2/2] x86_64, mm: Reinsert the absent memory Ingo Molnar
2013-06-26 14:49         ` Nathan Zimmer
2013-06-26 15:12           ` Dave Hansen
2013-06-26 15:20             ` Nathan Zimmer
2013-06-26 15:58               ` Ingo Molnar
2013-06-26 16:11                 ` Nathan Zimmer
2013-06-26 16:07         ` Mike Travis
2013-06-21 16:51 ` [RFC 0/2] Delay initializing of large sections of memory Greg KH
2013-06-21 17:03   ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-06-21 17:18     ` Nathan Zimmer
2013-06-21 17:28       ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-06-21 20:05         ` Nathan Zimmer
2013-06-21 20:08           ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-06-21 20:33             ` Nathan Zimmer
2013-06-21 21:36             ` Mike Travis
2013-06-21 21:07       ` Mike Travis
2013-06-21 18:44     ` Yinghai Lu
2013-06-21 18:50       ` Greg KH
2013-06-21 19:10         ` Yinghai Lu
2013-06-21 19:19           ` Nathan Zimmer
2013-06-21 20:28             ` Yinghai Lu
2013-06-21 20:40               ` Nathan Zimmer
2013-06-21 21:30         ` Mike Travis
2013-06-22  0:23           ` Yinghai Lu
2013-06-25 17:35             ` Mike Travis
2013-06-25 18:17               ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-06-25 18:40                 ` Mike Travis
2013-06-25 18:40                 ` Yinghai Lu
2013-06-25 18:44                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-06-25 18:58                     ` Mike Travis
2013-06-25 19:03                       ` Yinghai Lu
2013-06-25 19:09                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-06-25 19:28                           ` Yinghai Lu
2013-06-27  6:37                       ` Yinghai Lu
2013-06-27 11:05                         ` Robin Holt
2013-06-27 15:50                         ` Mike Travis
2013-06-26  9:23                   ` Ingo Molnar
2013-06-25 18:38               ` Yinghai Lu
2013-06-25 18:42                 ` Mike Travis
2013-06-21 18:36 ` Yinghai Lu
2013-06-21 18:44   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2013-06-21 19:00     ` Yinghai Lu
2013-06-21 21:28       ` Mike Travis
2013-06-21 21:19   ` Mike Travis

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