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From: Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>
To: "jonsmirl@gmail.com" <jonsmirl@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Ksummit-2013-discuss] DT bindings as ABI [was: Do we have people interested in device tree janitoring / cleanup?]
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 15:21:40 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130726142140.GR24642@n2100.arm.linux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAKON4OzrkHzUzKkULWCgiEpAtJ5gLxUm78R5ctd7p6trqq_gCA@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 10:14:32AM -0400, jonsmirl@gmail.com wrote:
> Yes, yes - that's why the schema should be written down and used as a
> validation input to dtc. Then dtc can spit out errors for non-standard
> items. There would be two versions - the standard one and a legacy one
> that includes the standard one plus the hacks that can't be undone.
> 
> But more importantly it provides a framework for people creating new
> node definitions. Now they can't work in a vacuum and come up with
> random names and structure for everything.
> 
> Most of the problems express in the thread would go away if the schema
> was written down and discussed. The rule going forward would be no new
> nodes that aren't part of the standard schema.

So this is why I'm seeing patches just a short time ago removing existing
compatible strings from the DT descriptions and associated driver, and
replacing them with new ones... meaning that the old DT files won't work
with newer kernels.

What that means is using the descriptions as the schema won't catch that
because they're changing those as well to match.

There's a solution to that: dtc becomes a separate project external to
the kernel which also contains the schemas that it verifies against.
That way, if you want to make changes such as that above, you need to
get it past not only kernel people but also past dtc maintainers -
which increases the chances of such stuff being caught.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-07-26 14:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 142+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-07-25 16:09 DT bindings as ABI [was: Do we have people interested in device tree janitoring / cleanup?] Olof Johansson
2013-07-25 17:57 ` Mark Rutland
2013-07-25 18:05   ` Stephen Warren
2013-07-25 18:25     ` Olof Johansson
2013-07-25 18:50       ` Stephen Warren
2013-07-25 19:30       ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] " Mark Brown
2013-07-25 18:29     ` Mark Rutland
2013-07-25 18:48       ` Richard Cochran
2013-07-25 18:53         ` Stephen Warren
2013-07-25 21:41           ` Domenico Andreoli
2013-07-26  4:43           ` Richard Cochran
2013-07-25 21:37         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-07-26  4:54           ` Richard Cochran
2013-07-26 13:42             ` Rob Herring
2013-07-26 17:15             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-07-27  8:48               ` Richard Cochran
2013-07-27 10:40                 ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] " Mark Brown
2013-07-27 17:37                   ` Richard Cochran
2013-07-27 17:57                     ` David Lang
2013-07-27 18:17                       ` Richard Cochran
2013-07-28 11:27                     ` Mark Brown
2013-07-29 17:54                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-07-29 18:16                   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-07-29 18:40                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-07-27  8:53               ` Richard Cochran
2013-07-27 10:20                 ` Tomasz Figa
2013-07-27 11:36                 ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] " Mark Brown
2013-07-27 18:07                   ` Richard Cochran
2013-07-28 12:10                     ` Mark Brown
2013-07-26  8:01           ` Richard Cochran
2013-07-26  9:42             ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] " David Woodhouse
2013-07-26 13:09               ` Richard Cochran
2013-07-26 13:14                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-07-27 15:28                   ` David Gibson
2013-07-26 13:27                 ` Jason Cooper
2013-07-26 13:38                   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-07-26 13:45                     ` Jason Cooper
2013-07-26 13:50                       ` David Woodhouse
2013-07-26 13:59                         ` Jason Cooper
2013-07-26 13:41                   ` David Woodhouse
2013-07-26 13:47                     ` Jason Cooper
2013-07-26 14:14                     ` jonsmirl
2013-07-26 14:16                       ` David Woodhouse
2013-07-26 14:21                       ` Russell King - ARM Linux [this message]
2013-07-26 14:39                         ` jonsmirl
2013-07-26 14:40                         ` Mark Brown
2013-07-29 15:32                           ` Matt Porter
2013-07-27 15:19                         ` David Gibson
2013-07-27 19:37                         ` Grant Likely
2013-07-27  9:16                       ` Ming Lei
2013-07-26 14:10                 ` Mark Brown
2013-07-26 15:49                   ` Olof Johansson
2013-07-26 16:36                     ` Rob Herring
2013-07-27  4:57                       ` Richard Cochran
2013-07-27  5:04                     ` Richard Cochran
2013-07-27  9:51                       ` Tomasz Figa
2013-07-27 10:24                         ` Arend van Spriel
2013-07-27 10:34                           ` Arend van Spriel
2013-07-27 11:09                             ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-07-27 10:36                           ` Tomasz Figa
2013-07-27 10:59                             ` Arend van Spriel
2013-07-27 19:45                               ` Grant Likely
2013-07-27 20:01                                 ` jonsmirl
2013-07-27 20:03                                   ` David Woodhouse
2013-07-27 20:25                                   ` Grant Likely
2013-07-28  3:28                                     ` Grant Likely
2013-07-28  5:11                                       ` James Bottomley
2013-07-28  5:13                                         ` Grant Likely
2013-07-30  1:44                                         ` David Gibson
2013-07-30  2:15                                           ` jonsmirl
2013-07-30  3:29                                             ` David Gibson
2013-07-30  4:35                                               ` Grant Likely
2013-07-30  8:39                                                 ` Maxime Ripard
2013-07-30 16:30                                             ` Stephen Warren
2013-07-30 17:27                                               ` John W. Linville
2013-07-30 16:40                                           ` Stephen Warren
2013-07-29  9:19                                   ` Arend van Spriel
2013-07-29 10:16                                     ` Arend van Spriel
2013-07-27 18:31                           ` Richard Cochran
2013-07-27 18:51                             ` Tomasz Figa
2013-07-27 19:22                               ` jonsmirl
2013-07-28  8:56                               ` Richard Cochran
2013-07-28  9:12                                 ` Tomasz Figa
2013-07-28 13:19                                   ` Richard Cochran
2013-07-28 13:39                                     ` Tomasz Figa
2013-07-28 14:09                                       ` jonsmirl
2013-07-28 15:35                                         ` Richard Cochran
2013-07-28 15:50                                           ` jonsmirl
2013-07-28 17:41                                             ` Mark Brown
2013-07-28 21:46                                           ` David Gibson
2013-07-28 15:30                                       ` Richard Cochran
2013-07-29  7:31                                     ` Maxime Ripard
2013-07-29 18:38                                       ` Richard Cochran
2013-07-29 18:51                                         ` Richard Cochran
2013-07-29 18:05                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-07-29 18:27                                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-07-29 22:20                                 ` David Gibson
2013-07-29 23:14                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-07-29 23:49                                     ` David Gibson
2013-07-31 10:37                               ` Maxime Bizon
2013-07-31 10:59                                 ` Tomasz Figa
2013-07-31 15:07                                   ` Richard Cochran
2013-07-31 15:23                                     ` Tomasz Figa
2013-07-31 19:12                                       ` Richard Cochran
2013-07-31 19:29                                         ` Tomasz Figa
2013-07-31 20:00                                           ` Richard Cochran
2013-07-31 20:14                                             ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-07-31 20:37                                               ` jonsmirl
2013-07-31 20:48                                                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-07-31 21:26                                                   ` jonsmirl
2013-08-01  9:57                                                     ` Arend van Spriel
2013-08-01 10:09                                                       ` Mark Brown
2013-08-01 10:18                                                     ` David Woodhouse
2013-08-01 13:34                                                       ` jonsmirl
2013-08-01 13:43                                                         ` jonsmirl
2013-08-01 13:48                                                       ` Rob Herring
2013-08-02  3:50                                                     ` David Gibson
2013-08-13 23:32                                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-08-14  1:49                                                         ` Guenter Roeck
2013-08-14 14:46                                                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-08-02  8:49                                               ` Tony Lindgren
2013-07-29 15:45                     ` Matt Porter
2013-07-31 12:58   ` Ian Campbell
2013-07-25 17:59 ` Stephen Warren
2013-07-25 19:11 ` Rob Herring
2013-07-25 19:31   ` Jason Cooper
2013-07-25 20:04     ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] " Mark Brown
2013-07-25 20:08       ` Jason Cooper
2013-07-25 20:16     ` Rob Herring
2013-07-25 20:32       ` Jason Cooper
2013-07-25 21:53         ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] " Ben Hutchings
2013-07-26  0:36           ` Stephen Warren
2013-07-26 12:14           ` Jason Cooper
2013-07-26  0:34       ` Stephen Warren
2013-07-26 22:11         ` Rob Herring
2013-07-25 23:18     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-07-26  0:27       ` jonsmirl
2013-07-26 11:38         ` Jason Cooper
2013-07-26 14:08           ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] " David Woodhouse
2013-07-26 13:57       ` Mark Brown
2013-07-26 10:55   ` Mark Brown
2013-07-28  4:39 ` Grant Likely

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