Proposal for menuconfig removal

Proposal for menuconfig removal

[Aldo Iljazi]

Since nconfig is there, menuconfig is redundant.

I am proposing to remove it from the kernel.

-- 
http://aldo.io

Re: Proposal for menuconfig removal

[Alexander Holler]

Am 24.10.2013 13:56, schrieb Aldo Iljazi:
> Since nconfig is there, menuconfig is redundant.
> 
> I am proposing to remove it from the kernel.
> 

Looks like nconfig depends on F-keys, which unfortunately do disappear
more and more on modern keyboards, so I wouldn't call that a very good idea.

Regards,

Alexander Holler

Re: Proposal for menuconfig removal

[Alexander Holler]

Am 24.10.2013 17:02, schrieb Aldo Iljazi:
> On 24-10-2013 17:03, Alexander Holler wrote:
>> Am 24.10.2013 13:56, schrieb Aldo Iljazi:
>>> Since nconfig is there, menuconfig is redundant.
>>>
>>> I am proposing to remove it from the kernel.
>>>
>>
>> Looks like nconfig depends on F-keys, which unfortunately do disappear
>> more and more on modern keyboards, so I wouldn't call that a very good
>> idea.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Alexander Holler
>> --
>
> If that's the case then I agree, but are they really? I've not seen a
> keyboard without F-keys.

There are many of them. But it isn't only about keyboards without those 
keys, it's about situations where those keys are inaccesible too. Guess 
why Midnight Commander supports ESC-n as alternative for Fn.

Or just try to use make nconfig from any of the various Android 
(SSH)-Terminals. Relying on F-keys isn't a very good idea.

Regards,

Alexander Holler

Re: Proposal for menuconfig removal

[Randy Dunlap]

On 10/24/13 08:35, Alexander Holler wrote:
> Am 24.10.2013 17:02, schrieb Aldo Iljazi:
>> On 24-10-2013 17:03, Alexander Holler wrote:
>>> Am 24.10.2013 13:56, schrieb Aldo Iljazi:
>>>> Since nconfig is there, menuconfig is redundant.
>>>>
>>>> I am proposing to remove it from the kernel.

I am not seeing a good reason to remove menuconfig.

>>>
>>> Looks like nconfig depends on F-keys, which unfortunately do disappear
>>> more and more on modern keyboards, so I wouldn't call that a very good
>>> idea.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Alexander Holler
>>> -- 
>>
>> If that's the case then I agree, but are they really? I've not seen a
>> keyboard without F-keys.
> 
> There are many of them. But it isn't only about keyboards without those keys, it's about situations where those keys are inaccesible too. Guess why Midnight Commander supports ESC-n as alternative for Fn.
> 
> Or just try to use make nconfig from any of the various Android (SSH)-Terminals. Relying on F-keys isn't a very good idea.

nconfig supports use of <Fn> or just numeric <n> key for the same functions.


-- 
~Randy

Re: Proposal for menuconfig removal

[Alexander Holler]

Am 24.10.2013 18:39, schrieb Randy Dunlap:

> nconfig supports use of <Fn> or just numeric <n> key for the same functions.

Ah, that isn't mentioned in the global help.

Regards,

Alexander Holler

Re: Proposal for menuconfig removal

[Aldo Iljazi]

On 24-10-2013 19:59, Alexander Holler wrote:
> Am 24.10.2013 18:52, schrieb Aldo Iljazi:
>> On 24-10-2013 19:43, Alexander Holler wrote:
>>> Am 24.10.2013 18:39, schrieb Randy Dunlap:
>>>
>>>> nconfig supports use of <Fn> or just numeric <n> key for the same
>>>> functions.
>>>
>>> Ah, that isn't mentioned in the global help.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Alexander Holler

Therefore, it can be done?

Aldo
-- 
http://aldo.io

Re: Proposal for menuconfig removal

[Randy Dunlap]

On 10/24/13 09:43, Alexander Holler wrote:
> Am 24.10.2013 18:39, schrieb Randy Dunlap:
> 
>> nconfig supports use of <Fn> or just numeric <n> key for the same functions.
> 
> Ah, that isn't mentioned in the global help.

I found it there (in global help):

Unless in a data entry window, key <1> may be used instead of <F1>,
<2> instead of <F2>, etc.

but if you don't have Function keys, you may not be able to read the
global help text.


-- 
~Randy

Re: Proposal for menuconfig removal

[Randy Dunlap]

On 10/24/13 10:03, Aldo Iljazi wrote:
> On 24-10-2013 19:59, Alexander Holler wrote:
>> Am 24.10.2013 18:52, schrieb Aldo Iljazi:
>>> On 24-10-2013 19:43, Alexander Holler wrote:
>>>> Am 24.10.2013 18:39, schrieb Randy Dunlap:
>>>>
>>>>> nconfig supports use of <Fn> or just numeric <n> key for the same
>>>>> functions.
>>>>
>>>> Ah, that isn't mentioned in the global help.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Alexander Holler
> 
> Therefore, it can be done?

Why?  You don't offer any justification for removing menuconfig.

Is it a burden to someone?  to its maintainer?


-- 
~Randy

Re: Proposal for menuconfig removal

[Richard Weinberger]

On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 7:03 PM, Aldo Iljazi <me@aldo.io> wrote:
> On 24-10-2013 19:59, Alexander Holler wrote:
>>
>> Am 24.10.2013 18:52, schrieb Aldo Iljazi:
>>
>>> On 24-10-2013 19:43, Alexander Holler wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Am 24.10.2013 18:39, schrieb Randy Dunlap:
>>>>
>>>>> nconfig supports use of <Fn> or just numeric <n> key for the same
>>>>> functions.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ah, that isn't mentioned in the global help.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Alexander Holler
>
>
> Therefore, it can be done?

Currently almost nobody is using nconfig, there is zero reason to drop
menuconfig.

-- 
Thanks,
//richard

Re: Proposal for menuconfig removal

[Aldo Iljazi]

On 24-10-2013 20:06, Richard Weinberger wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 7:03 PM, Aldo Iljazi <me@aldo.io> wrote:
>> On 24-10-2013 19:59, Alexander Holler wrote:
>>>
>>> Am 24.10.2013 18:52, schrieb Aldo Iljazi:
>>>
>>>> On 24-10-2013 19:43, Alexander Holler wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Am 24.10.2013 18:39, schrieb Randy Dunlap:
>>>>>
>>>>>> nconfig supports use of <Fn> or just numeric <n> key for the 
>>>>>> same
>>>>>> functions.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ah, that isn't mentioned in the global help.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Alexander Holler
>>
>>
>> Therefore, it can be done?
>
> Currently almost nobody is using nconfig, there is zero reason to 
> drop
> menuconfig.

This is just a proposal anyway.
-- 
http://aldo.io

Re: Proposal for menuconfig removal

[Alexander Holler]

Am 24.10.2013 19:03, schrieb Randy Dunlap:
> On 10/24/13 09:43, Alexander Holler wrote:
>> Am 24.10.2013 18:39, schrieb Randy Dunlap:
>>
>>> nconfig supports use of <Fn> or just numeric <n> key for the same functions.
>>
>> Ah, that isn't mentioned in the global help.
>
> I found it there (in global help):
>
> Unless in a data entry window, key <1> may be used instead of <F1>,
> <2> instead of <F2>, etc.
>
> but if you don't have Function keys, you may not be able to read the
> global help text.

Oh, yes, there it is. I've read the help twice, but haven't seen it. ;)
Maybe moving that paragraph to the top will help. I don't know why I 
haven't seen it.

Regards,

Alexander Holler

Re: Proposal for menuconfig removal

[Alexander Holler]

Am 24.10.2013 19:04, schrieb Randy Dunlap:
> On 10/24/13 10:03, Aldo Iljazi wrote:
>> On 24-10-2013 19:59, Alexander Holler wrote:
>>> Am 24.10.2013 18:52, schrieb Aldo Iljazi:
>>>> On 24-10-2013 19:43, Alexander Holler wrote:
>>>>> Am 24.10.2013 18:39, schrieb Randy Dunlap:
>>>>>
>>>>>> nconfig supports use of <Fn> or just numeric <n> key for the same
>>>>>> functions.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ah, that isn't mentioned in the global help.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Alexander Holler
>>
>> Therefore, it can be done?
>
> Why?  You don't offer any justification for removing menuconfig.
>
> Is it a burden to someone?  to its maintainer?

I still prefer menuconfig because I find it easier to use <tab> to cycle 
between menu-options than to use <Fn> or just <n>.

Regards,

Alexander Holler

Re: Proposal for menuconfig removal

[Randy Dunlap]

On 10/24/13 10:10, Alexander Holler wrote:
> Am 24.10.2013 19:03, schrieb Randy Dunlap:
>> On 10/24/13 09:43, Alexander Holler wrote:
>>> Am 24.10.2013 18:39, schrieb Randy Dunlap:
>>>
>>>> nconfig supports use of <Fn> or just numeric <n> key for the same functions.
>>>
>>> Ah, that isn't mentioned in the global help.
>>
>> I found it there (in global help):
>>
>> Unless in a data entry window, key <1> may be used instead of <F1>,
>> <2> instead of <F2>, etc.
>>
>> but if you don't have Function keys, you may not be able to read the
>> global help text.
> 
> Oh, yes, there it is. I've read the help twice, but haven't seen it. ;)
> Maybe moving that paragraph to the top will help. I don't know why I haven't seen it.

I agree, it should be less hidden.


-- 
~Randy

Re: Proposal for menuconfig removal

[Richard Cochran]

On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 10:04:47AM -0700, Randy Dunlap wrote:
> 
> Why?  You don't offer any justification for removing menuconfig.
> 
> Is it a burden to someone?  to its maintainer?

Please don't remove menuconfig. I'll cry if you do.

Thanks,
Richard

Re: Proposal for menuconfig removal

[Sören Brinkmann]

On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 02:56:33PM +0300, Aldo Iljazi wrote:
> Since nconfig is there, menuconfig is redundant.
> 
> I am proposing to remove it from the kernel.

Pleas don't. I never use nconfig (the color scheme always scared me
away) and only use menuconfig.
Also, this would break a lot of documentation out there in wikis and
a hell lot of other places that tell people to configure a kernel using
'make menuconfig'.

	Sören