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From: "Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com>
To: Casey Schaufler <casey@schaufler-ca.com>
Cc: Serge Hallyn <serge.hallyn@ubuntu.com>,
	Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>,
	Serge Hallyn <serge.hallyn@canonical.com>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	Aaron Jones <aaronmdjones@gmail.com>, "Ted Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>,
	linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, akpm@linuxfoundation.org
Subject: Re: [capabilities] Allow normal inheritance for a configurable set of capabilities
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2015 01:20:42 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150205002042.GB23013@mail.hallyn.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <54CFC942.9010502@schaufler-ca.com>

Quoting Casey Schaufler (casey@schaufler-ca.com):
> On 2/2/2015 10:08 AM, Serge Hallyn wrote:
> > Quoting Casey Schaufler (casey@schaufler-ca.com):
> >> I'm game to participate in such an effort. The POSIX scheme
> >> is workable, but given that it's 20 years old and hasn't
> >> developed real traction it's hard to call it successful.
> > Over the years we've several times discussed possible reasons for this
> > and how to help.  I personally think it's two things:  1. lack of
> > toolchain and fs support.  The fact that we cannot to this day enable
> > ping using capabilities by default because of cpio, tar and non-xattr
> > filesystems is disheartening.  2. It's hard for users and applications
> > to know what caps they need.  yes the API is a bear to use, but we can
> > hide that behind fancier libraries.  But using capabilities requires too
> > much in-depth knowledge of precisely what caps you might need for
> > whatever operations library may now do when you asked for something.
> 
> The fix for that is to a change to the audit system. If the audit system
> reported the capabilities relevant to the decision you'd have what you
> need. If you failed because you didn't have CAP_CHMOD or you succeeded
> because you had CAP_SYS_ADMIN it should show up in the audit record.
> Other systems have used this approach.
> 
> You could, of course, create a separate capability result log, and I
> believe that Nokia had done something along those lines. I think that
> adding it to the audit trail is a more rational approach.

I wonder how much that would end up affecting performance, assuming it
left an audit message at every ns_capable() failure.  Even if it was
only done under a certain sysctl, it could certainly be useful.

  reply	other threads:[~2015-02-05  0:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-02-02 16:21 [capabilities] Allow normal inheritance for a configurable set of capabilities Christoph Lameter
2015-02-02 17:12 ` Serge Hallyn
2015-02-02 17:18   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-02-02 18:09     ` Serge Hallyn
2015-02-03 15:16     ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-03 15:23   ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-03 15:55     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-02-03 17:18       ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-03 17:26         ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-02-04 15:15           ` Andrew G. Morgan
2015-02-04 15:50             ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-04 15:56               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-02-04 16:12                 ` Andrew G. Morgan
2015-02-04 16:34                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-02-04 16:54                     ` Andrew G. Morgan
2015-02-04 17:34                       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-02-04 18:12                         ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-04 16:43                   ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-04 16:27                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-02-05  0:34             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-02-05 15:23               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-02-25 21:50     ` Pavel Machek
2015-02-25 23:59       ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-26 12:27         ` Pavel Machek
2015-02-27 20:15           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-02-27 20:48             ` Pavel Machek
2015-02-27 20:56               ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-02-27 22:47                 ` Pavel Machek
2015-02-02 17:54 ` Casey Schaufler
2015-02-02 18:08   ` Serge Hallyn
2015-02-02 18:47     ` Mimi Zohar
2015-02-02 19:05       ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-02-02 20:35         ` Casey Schaufler
2015-02-03 16:04       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-02-02 19:00     ` Casey Schaufler
2015-02-05  0:20       ` Serge E. Hallyn [this message]
2015-02-02 20:37     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-02-02 20:54       ` Casey Schaufler
2015-02-03 15:51         ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-02-03 16:37           ` Casey Schaufler
2015-02-03 17:28             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-02-03 17:50               ` Casey Schaufler
2015-02-03 19:45                 ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-03 20:13                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-02-03 23:14                     ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-03 23:17                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-02-04  2:27                         ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-04  6:05                         ` Markku Savela
2015-02-04 13:17                           ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-04 13:41                             ` Markku Savela
2015-02-04 14:56                               ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2015-02-03 15:17       ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-03 15:40         ` Casey Schaufler
2015-02-03 15:46       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-02-03 17:19         ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-03 17:29           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-02-25 21:50     ` Pavel Machek

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