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From: Sami Tolvanen <samitolvanen@google.com>
To: Mikulas Patocka <mpatocka@redhat.com>
Cc: Milan Broz <mbroz@redhat.com>,
	device-mapper development <dm-devel@redhat.com>,
	Mandeep Baines <msb@chromium.org>, Will Drewry <wad@chromium.org>,
	Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
	Mike Snitzer <snitzer@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Alasdair Kergon <agk@redhat.com>,
	Mark Salyzyn <salyzyn@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/4] dm verity: add support for error correction
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 19:06:34 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20151106190634.GA2813@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LRH.2.02.1511061201520.5619@file01.intranet.prod.int.rdu2.redhat.com>

On Fri, Nov 06, 2015 at 12:23:29PM -0500, Mikulas Patocka wrote:
> I'm also wondering what is this patch useful for. Disks and flash 
> controllers have their own error detection and correction

I think I addressed this earlier. Some storage devices are able to
correct bit flips, but don't have enough redundancy to correct larger
errors. Using this patch set we can correct N MiB of consecutive
corruption anywhere on the partition with the same amount of storage
overhead.

> Another point - if the read-only system partition is experiencing some
> errors, than the read-write partition will probably have errors too

On mobile devices, errors in read-only partitions often lead to
bricked devices while errors in the read-write parts might only lead
to lost cat photos. There are situations where people would prefer to
have a working phone even if it fails to store some of their data.

> Do you have some real case where such error corrections 
> increase longevity of some device?

Yes, there have been several cases where read-only partition errors
have rendered a device unusable. The sheer volume of mobile devices
means that even if a tiny fraction of them suffer from such a problem,
it's going to affect a large number of people.

> But you can take raid5 in read-only mode, put it on several partitions 
> protected with dm-verity and you get decent error correction

I agree. Unfortunately, we don't currently have the luxury of using
raid on mobile devices.

Sami

  reply	other threads:[~2015-11-06 19:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-11-05  2:02 [PATCH 0/4] dm verity: add support for error correction Sami Tolvanen
2015-11-05  2:02 ` [PATCH 1/4] dm verity: clean up duplicate hashing code Sami Tolvanen
2015-11-17 22:32   ` Kees Cook
2015-11-05  2:02 ` [PATCH 2/4] dm verity: separate function for parsing opt args Sami Tolvanen
2015-11-17 22:33   ` Kees Cook
2015-12-02 20:16   ` Mike Snitzer
2015-11-05  2:02 ` [PATCH 3/4] dm verity: add support for forward error correction Sami Tolvanen
2015-11-05  5:36   ` kbuild test robot
2015-11-05 22:06   ` kbuild test robot
2015-11-05  2:02 ` [PATCH 4/4] dm verity: ignore zero blocks Sami Tolvanen
2015-11-05 22:13   ` kbuild test robot
2015-11-05  7:34 ` [PATCH 0/4] dm verity: add support for error correction Milan Broz
2015-11-05 17:33   ` Sami Tolvanen
2015-11-09 16:37     ` Mike Snitzer
2015-11-09 19:19       ` Sami Tolvanen
2015-11-09 19:58         ` Mike Snitzer
2015-11-12 10:30         ` Milan Broz
2015-12-03  9:36           ` Sami Tolvanen
2015-11-12 18:50         ` Mikulas Patocka
2015-12-03  9:33           ` Sami Tolvanen
2015-12-02 20:22         ` Mike Snitzer
2015-12-03  9:11           ` Sami Tolvanen
2015-11-06 17:23   ` Mikulas Patocka
2015-11-06 19:06     ` Sami Tolvanen [this message]
2015-11-06 19:20       ` [dm-devel] " Zdenek Kabelac
2015-11-06 20:27         ` Sami Tolvanen
2015-11-06 21:05           ` Zdenek Kabelac
2015-11-06 21:23             ` Sami Tolvanen
2015-11-07 15:29               ` Mikulas Patocka
2015-11-07 15:20           ` Mikulas Patocka
2015-11-07 15:18       ` Mikulas Patocka
2015-11-09 15:06         ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-12-03 14:26 ` [PATCH v2 0/2] " Sami Tolvanen
2015-12-03 14:26   ` [PATCH v2 1/2] dm verity: add support for forward " Sami Tolvanen
2015-12-03 14:26   ` [PATCH v2 2/2] dm verity: ignore zero blocks Sami Tolvanen
2015-12-03 19:54   ` [PATCH v2 0/2] dm verity: add support for error correction Mike Snitzer
2015-12-03 23:05     ` Mike Snitzer
2015-12-04 10:03       ` Sami Tolvanen
2015-12-04 21:09         ` Mike Snitzer
2015-12-07 13:21           ` Sami Tolvanen
2015-12-07 14:58             ` Mike Snitzer
2015-12-07 16:31               ` Sami Tolvanen
2015-12-07 18:07                 ` Milan Broz
2015-12-07 19:07                   ` Mike Snitzer
2015-12-08 10:18                     ` Sami Tolvanen

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