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From: Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@arm.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>,
	Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net>,
	Linux PM list <linux-pm@vger.kernel.org>,
	Steve Muckle <steve.muckle@linaro.org>,
	ACPI Devel Maling List <linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Srinivas Pandruvada <srinivas.pandruvada@linux.intel.com>,
	Viresh Kumar <viresh.kumar@linaro.org>,
	Michael Turquette <mturquette@baylibre.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 6/6] cpufreq: schedutil: New governor based on scheduler utilization data
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2016 12:32:54 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160303123254.GU18792@e106622-lin> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160303122030.GN6356@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On 03/03/16 13:20, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 02, 2016 at 11:49:48PM +0100, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> > >>> +       min_f = sg_policy->policy->cpuinfo.min_freq;
> > >>> +       max_f = sg_policy->policy->cpuinfo.max_freq;
> > >>> +       next_f = util > max ? max_f : min_f + util * (max_f - min_f) / max;
> 
> > In case a more formal derivation of this formula is needed, it is
> > based on the following 3 assumptions:
> > 
> > (1) Performance is a linear function of frequency.
> > (2) Required performance is a linear function of the utilization ratio
> > x = util/max as provided by the scheduler (0 <= x <= 1).
> 
> > (3) The minimum possible frequency (min_freq) corresponds to x = 0 and
> > the maximum possible frequency (max_freq) corresponds to x = 1.
> > 
> > (1) and (2) combined imply that
> > 
> > f = a * x + b
> > 
> > (f - frequency, a, b - constants to be determined) and then (3) quite
> > trivially leads to b = min_freq and a = max_freq - min_freq.
> 
> 3 is the problem, that just doesn't make sense and is probably the
> reason why you see very little selection of the min freq.
> 
> Suppose a machine with the following frequencies:
> 
> 	500, 750, 1000
> 
> And a utilization of 0.4, how does asking for 500 + 0.4 * (1000-500) =
> 700 make any sense? Per your point 1, it should should be asking for
> 0.4 * 1000 = 400.
> 
> Because, per 1, at 500 it runs exactly half as fast as at 1000, and we
> only need 0.4 times as much. Therefore 500 is more than sufficient.
> 

Oh, and that is probably also why the governor can reach max OPP with
freq invariance enabled (the point Vincent was making). When we run at
500 the util signal is capped at that capacity, but the formula makes us
requesting more, so we can jump to the next step and so on.

  reply	other threads:[~2016-03-03 12:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 158+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-03-02  1:56 [PATCH 0/6] cpufreq: schedutil governor Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-02  2:04 ` [PATCH 1/6] cpufreq: Reduce cpufreq_update_util() overhead a bit Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-03  5:48   ` Viresh Kumar
2016-03-03 11:47   ` Juri Lelli
2016-03-03 13:04     ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-02  2:05 ` [PATCH 2/6][Resend] cpufreq: acpi-cpufreq: Make read and write operations more efficient Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-02  2:08 ` [PATCH 3/6] cpufreq: governor: New data type for management part of dbs_data Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-03  5:53   ` Viresh Kumar
2016-03-03 19:26     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-04  5:49       ` Viresh Kumar
2016-03-02  2:10 ` [PATCH 4/6] cpufreq: governor: Move abstract gov_tunables code to a seperate file Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-03  6:03   ` Viresh Kumar
2016-03-02  2:12 ` [PATCH 5/6] cpufreq: Support for fast frequency switching Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-03  6:00   ` Viresh Kumar
2016-03-04  2:15     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-03 11:16   ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-03 20:56     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-03 21:12       ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-03 11:18   ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-03 19:39     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-02  2:27 ` [PATCH 6/6] cpufreq: schedutil: New governor based on scheduler utilization data Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-02 17:10   ` Vincent Guittot
2016-03-02 17:58     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-02 22:49       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-03 12:20         ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-03 12:32           ` Juri Lelli [this message]
2016-03-03 16:24           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-03 16:37             ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-03 16:47               ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-04  1:14                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-03 16:55               ` Juri Lelli
2016-03-03 16:56                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-03 17:14                   ` Juri Lelli
2016-03-03 14:01         ` Vincent Guittot
2016-03-03 15:38           ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-03 16:28             ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-03 16:42               ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-03 17:28               ` Dietmar Eggemann
2016-03-03 18:26                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-03 19:14                   ` Dietmar Eggemann
2016-03-08 13:09                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-03 18:58               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-03 13:07       ` Vincent Guittot
2016-03-03 20:06         ` Steve Muckle
2016-03-03 20:20           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-03 21:37             ` Steve Muckle
2016-03-07  2:41               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-08 11:27                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-08 18:00                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-08 19:26                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-08 20:05                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-09 10:15                         ` Juri Lelli
2016-03-09 23:41                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-10  4:30                             ` Juri Lelli
2016-03-10 21:01                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-10 23:19                             ` Michael Turquette
2016-03-09 16:39                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-09 23:28                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-10  3:44                             ` Vincent Guittot
2016-03-10 10:07                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-10 10:26                                 ` Vincent Guittot
     [not found]                                 ` <CAKfTPtCbjgbJn+68NJPCnmPFtcHD0wGmZRYaw37zSqPXNpo_Uw@mail.gmail.com>
2016-03-10 10:30                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-10 10:56                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-10 22:28                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-10  8:43                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-04  2:56 ` [PATCH v2 0/10] cpufreq: schedutil governor Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-04  2:58   ` [PATCH v2 1/10] cpufreq: Reduce cpufreq_update_util() overhead a bit Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-09 12:39     ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-09 14:17       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-09 15:29         ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-09 21:35           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-10  9:19             ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-04  2:59   ` [PATCH v2 2/10][Resend] cpufreq: acpi-cpufreq: Make read and write operations more efficient Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-04  3:01   ` [PATCH v2 3/10] cpufreq: governor: New data type for management part of dbs_data Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-04  5:52     ` Viresh Kumar
2016-03-04  3:03   ` [PATCH v2 4/10] cpufreq: governor: Move abstract gov_attr_set code to seperate file Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-04  5:52     ` Viresh Kumar
2016-03-04  3:05   ` [PATCH v2 5/10] cpufreq: Move governor attribute set headers to cpufreq.h Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-04  5:53     ` Viresh Kumar
2016-03-04  3:07   ` [PATCH v2 6/10] cpufreq: Support for fast frequency switching Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-04 22:18     ` Steve Muckle
2016-03-04 22:32       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-04 22:40         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-04 23:18           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-04 23:56             ` Steve Muckle
2016-03-05  0:18               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-05 11:58                 ` Ingo Molnar
2016-03-05 16:49             ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-06  2:17               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-07  8:00                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-07 13:15                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-07 13:32                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-07 13:42                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-04 22:58         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-04 23:59           ` Steve Muckle
2016-03-04  3:12   ` [PATCH v2 7/10] cpufreq: Rework the scheduler hooks for triggering updates Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-04  3:14   ` [PATCH v2 8/10] cpufreq: Move scheduler-related code to the sched directory Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-04  3:18   ` [PATCH v2 9/10] cpufreq: sched: Re-introduce cpufreq_update_util() Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-04 10:50     ` Juri Lelli
2016-03-04 12:58       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-04 13:30     ` [PATCH v3 " Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-04 21:21       ` Steve Muckle
2016-03-04 21:27         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-04 21:36           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-04  3:35   ` [PATCH v2 10/10] cpufreq: schedutil: New governor based on scheduler utilization data Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-04 11:26     ` Juri Lelli
2016-03-04 13:19       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-04 15:56       ` Srinivas Pandruvada
2016-03-08  2:23   ` [PATCH v3 0/7] cpufreq: schedutil governor Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-08  2:25     ` [PATCH v3 1/7][Resend] cpufreq: Rework the scheduler hooks for triggering updates Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-09 13:41       ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-09 14:02         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-08  2:26     ` [PATCH v3 2/7][Resend] cpufreq: Move scheduler-related code to the sched directory Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-08  2:28     ` [PATCH v3 3/7][Resend] cpufreq: governor: New data type for management part of dbs_data Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-08  2:29     ` [PATCH v3 4/7][Resend] cpufreq: governor: Move abstract gov_attr_set code to seperate file Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-08  2:38     ` [PATCH v3 5/7] cpufreq: Support for fast frequency switching Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-08  2:41     ` [PATCH v3 6/7] cpufreq: sched: Re-introduce cpufreq_update_util() Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-08  2:50     ` [PATCH v3 7/7] cpufreq: schedutil: New governor based on scheduler utilization data Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-16 14:41     ` [PATCH v4 0/7] cpufreq: schedutil governor Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-16 14:43       ` [PATCH v4 1/7] cpufreq: sched: Helpers to add and remove update_util hooks Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-16 14:44       ` [PATCH v4 2/7] cpufreq: governor: New data type for management part of dbs_data Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-16 14:45       ` [PATCH v4 3/7] cpufreq: governor: Move abstract gov_attr_set code to seperate file Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-16 14:46       ` [PATCH v4 4/7] cpufreq: Move governor attribute set headers to cpufreq.h Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-16 14:47       ` [PATCH v4 5/7] cpufreq: Move governor symbols " Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-16 14:52       ` [PATCH v4 6/7] cpufreq: Support for fast frequency switching Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-16 15:35         ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-16 16:58           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-16 15:43         ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-16 16:58           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-16 14:59       ` [PATCH v4 7/7] cpufreq: schedutil: New governor based on scheduler utilization data Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-16 17:35         ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-16 21:42           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-16 17:36         ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-16 21:34           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-16 17:52         ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-16 21:38           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-16 22:39             ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-16 17:53         ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-16 21:48           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-16 18:14         ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-16 21:38           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-16 22:40             ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-16 22:53               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-16 15:27       ` [PATCH v4 0/7] cpufreq: schedutil governor Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-16 16:20         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-16 23:51       ` [PATCH v5 6/7][Update] cpufreq: Support for fast frequency switching Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-17 11:35         ` Juri Lelli
2016-03-17 11:40           ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-17 11:48             ` Juri Lelli
2016-03-17 12:53               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-17  0:01       ` [PATCH v5 7/7][Update] cpufreq: schedutil: New governor based on scheduler utilization data Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-17 11:30         ` Juri Lelli
2016-03-17 12:54           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-17 11:36         ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-17 12:54           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-17 15:54       ` [PATCH v6 6/7][Update] cpufreq: Support for fast frequency switching Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-17 16:01       ` [PATCH v6 7/7][Update] cpufreq: schedutil: New governor based on scheduler utilization data Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-03-18 12:34         ` Patrick Bellasi

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